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Ishmoo
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I'm in the same place as you are with anime and this one got me excited to watch again. Despite it's failings, I'm happy for having seen it and am getting hooked again. Maybe this show provided the impetus. Before this, the last anime that I'd anticipate all week was Durarara. |
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Anymouse
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I hate to necropost, but I just looked up Zymatin's We and it seems to have a nearly identical setting to No. 6 We Themes
Something on my excessively too long to read list. Last edited by Anymouse on Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:04 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Aoi_Sakaraba
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YaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoiYaoi!
We are forced to watch this garbage in anime club right now... |
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Kruszer
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There's a LOT of science fiction in creation with similar settings. It's a whole sub genre called Dystopian. |
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Anymouse
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Oh yes, I know. But the use of a wall is rather suspicious, as well as the post apocalyptic setting. I know that We is also considered the inspiration behind 1984.
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Ishmoo
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You're revealing your deep seated bigotry. Methinks thou dost protest too much...What are you overcompensating for exactly? Anywho, it's not Yaoi. If anything, it's Shonen Ai, and even that's pretty mild. Watch Sensitive Pornograph and then get back to me. I bet you'll secretly like it. 
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Anymouse
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I can't exactly say it's a Masterpiece, with the Bee Fairy and all.
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tuxedocat
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Yep, I'm late to the discussion, as usual.
In regards to this magical bee fairy thing. Didn't everyone notice the central building/command center that looked like a bee hive? I feel like the entire show, other than Sion's miraculous healing(I'll get to that later), was science fiction. I've watched the show twice now, and it is inferred that Elyurias is some sort of complex AI, built into the system to maintain climate and agriculture. It is also inferred that Sion's Mother was involved in its creation. She didn't seem very surprised when first confronted by Nezumi's "mice". The myth of Elyurias, and the genocide of Nezumi's people (who presumably worshipped this goddess) somehow played into the creation of the AI. This myth was probably programmed into the AI (probably by the MIA scientists, the individuals who likely were repulsed by the genocide: i.e. Sion's mom, the the leader in the catacombs). The AI is now malfunctioning (or, perhaps, following its own directives) independently beyond the control of the powers running No.6. It appears obvious to me that the parasite wasps were artificially created. One of the first signs of eco-system destruction is the extinction of pollinators. Natural bees and wasps were probably extinct, and thus the wasps were created to take over the job of pollination. I'm thinking they were probably manufactured using the same biotech that was used in the tracking implants buried in the necks of No.6's citizens, and controlled by the AI (Elyurias). The genocide of Nezumi's people was likely done to convert viable land (can grow vegetation: e.g. forest) to agricultural purposes. My guess is that Sion's mom, among others, helped to design the nano-wasps as pollinators I wish they had included a half episode devoted to Mom's back-story, and also the leader guy in the catacombs, since all this is only inferred, and not explained. I think Bones decided to concentrate instead on character development. I believe the reason she was kept under surveillance, but never harmed, is due to her involvement, and creation of the AI. It is my opinion that they really needed her, since she was the only scientist involved in the AI's creation left within the walls of the city. It also occurred to me that Sion's demotion, then arrest, may have been attempts to leverage her compliance. Safu was the last in a long line of attempts to create a human interface to the AI. Nezumi was correct, in a sense, when he stated that the parasite wasps were a plague created to destroy the city. The AI may have succeeded, if not for the human interface that was Safu. It was the human element interface providng the directive to destroy the wasps. Sion's miraculous resurrection at the end, was a bit of a stretch. The only solution I could think of was that since he was a citizen of No.6 since birth, he had some network of nano-machines implanted in his body. Since Nezumi was also "healed", this theory doesn't jive very well. I see this a lot in anime. Japan just can't seem to resist adding some sort of unexplainable, supernatural element. Especially when the supernatural element is generated by the pure, innocent feelings generated by a cute girl. --Or maybe they just didn't want to piss off the monks. 
BTW, I reached most of these conclusions after watching this show a second time. I was not as distracted by the shounen-ai the second time around.
I agree with many others here that this show would have benefitted by an extra episode. |
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Anymouse
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I like your post. I do think it is a nice perspective. I myself didn't really get a nanotech vibe from it, but it would certainly help justify things a bit.
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Ishmoo
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Hi Tuxedocat. It's never too late to join the gab fest. I'm still talking about GITS with my husband however many years later.
My take on the whole "Bee Fairy" things was that she started off as a natural Being/Spirit and was co-opted by the scientists that wanted to use her power for their own ends. The clash of nature with technology is a popular theme in dystopian sci-fi. Inevitably, something went wrong and Elyurias broke free of the constraints and let loose the wasps (probably genetically engineered by the humans) upon her tormentors. Hoisted on their own petards, so to speak. I think she healed Sion at the end because she had become fond of him, or maybe out of some lingering respect for Nezumi's clan. She never struck me as being completely artificial but since it was left so unexplained your guess is as good as mine. |
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wandering-dreamer
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I reeeeaally want that to actually be the case but after reading snippets of translation/summaries for all the volumes it seems like Elyurias really was some sort of mythic entity. Apparently Nezumi's family was a family of songstresses that attended to her (and provided the bodies of dead animals when she needed an animals brain to lay her eyes and reincarnate of sorts) and I'm honestly at a loss for which was strange, that or Sion's anime original wound and healing sequence. |
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tuxedocat
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ok. Since that"s the case, it would mean that the supernatural element was there from the beginning. I haven't read the translation, but did they make that apparent anywhere early on? I know that on my first viewing of the anime, it seemed to show up out of the blue in there around episode nine or ten. I can't really blame the people who felt like the story got hijacked by a Deus ex Machina. It was very abrupt. The story of Elyurias was repeated to Sion from one of the main scientists who had worked on the project, and he also had survived the infection from the parasite wasp, which resulted in my earlier (and I guess, erroneous) conclusions. Oh well. Regardless, I totally enjoyed this show. I plan to pre-order it when S23 lists it. I also will admit that I like shounen-ai. In addition, my brother and my husband watched the show with me and they liked it very much as well. They thought that a lot of the negative commentary was coming from younger guys who haven't yet learned how to be comfortable with their own sexuality. It has occurred to me that many fans are just tired of the amount of pandering that seems to appear in anime regularly. Even if it is subtly done, it tend to raise hackles. Also, I sometimes suspect that certain male fans really resent females entering the fandom. For a shounen-ai, this show handled it well, IMO. Sort of like the manga "Little Butterfly, which handled the subject matter in a thoughtful way. The comments we were seeing on Crunchyroll were pretty brutal. Peurile homophobia on one side complaining about the presence of BL and hardly noticing the story. Tweeny yaoi-fangirls on the other, complaining that there wasn't enough sex or romance, and hardly noticing the story. --At least it had an ending, which so many anime don't... 
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