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Penguin_Factory
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Ah, I was wondering what the deal with the names was. This just solidifies my theory that spoiler[Kureha is somehow on the bear's side of the barrier, or the barrier isn't actually intended to separate the bears and humans.] |
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RestLessone
 Posts: 1426 Location: New York |
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@rheiders
I'd forgotten that line! And thank you for the links. I want to watch Utena and Penguidrum, but I don't believe they're legally streaming anywhere and I've heard the BD for Penguin as some issues. @Penguin_Factory Oh, perhaps a barrier erectedspoiler[ by humans so they can live under the illusion that there is a divide? That they don't know any 'bears,' when in reality the two are constantly mixing and living among one another?] |
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rheiders
 Posts: 1137 Location: Colorful Colorado :) |
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^Penguindrum is on Hulu subbed, and Utena is available in multiple places including Hulu and Nozomi's official Youtube channel.
 Unfortunately, Utena is only available dubbed, and it's really not a good dub...But it's something. If you can afford it, the box sets for the series are really great quality and reasonably priced.
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L'Imperatore
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Finally got a chance to watch first 2 episodes. Heck, the symbolism is so strong that I wonder why Ginko keeps saying "delicious smell" in English instead of Japanese and whether it has hidden meaning as well
If this theory is true, then the students' fear of bears makes little sense. I mean, why should spoiler[those bears-in-disguise be afraid of their own kind?] Screw it, my 100 KBps brain isn't sufficient enough to decipher those symbolism (I imagine Ikuhara is reading all attempts to decode his show and LOLing at those). Right now I am watching it for the "WTF!" feel (plus of course, yuri), and so far, it doesn't disappoint. _________________________________________ Sadly, Kureha possesses less (if any) charm than Himari, let alone Utena. The bears' morphing scene's also nowhere near as gorgeous as Princess of the Crystal's "survival strategy!" Perhaps the staff is working under a tighter budget, but still... 
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Penguin_Factory
Posts: 732 Location: Ireland |
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spoiler[I got the impression that the student council girl's reaction to discovering Lulu and Ginko was more about not wanting competition than anything else.] |
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RestLessone
Posts: 1426 Location: New York |
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Thanks for the tips! I always forget Hulu for some reason.
I'd like to own the sets, but I'm often left wondering if a BD release will come right after I put down the cash. If the dub isn't good, I might just go ahead with it anyway. |
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HaruhiToy
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This is all anti-bear propaganda.
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DuskyPredator
 Posts: 15505 Location: Brisbane, Australia |
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Like that one episode of Sabagebu? |
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Stark700
 Posts: 11762 Location: Earth |
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Oh wow, that spoiler[cliffhanger ending....]
As usual, the show is peculiar but I'm still enjoying it with the all the gimmicks it has been using. The way spoiler['love' is described and portrayed in this show is also interesting with the way the flashbacks are done and the flowerbed from the latest episode.] |
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RestLessone
Posts: 1426 Location: New York |
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The bird motif has gotten a bit more focus. In the classroom scene, I think it's meant to parallel a flock; birds (and these students) move together as a form of defense. The bird stairway returns again, with Kureha moving against the flock to the roof.
There's that background image with flowers ascending into birds. The one teacher (spoiler[who is indicated to have been in a romantic relationship with Kureha's mother]) has a bird pin. It seems that girls are spoiler[allowed to be lilies when they're young, but as they grow, are expected to become a member of the flock.] Very similar to certain cultural elements in Japan and the Class S genre. It was mentioned in another thread that Internet slang for arashi meant trolling or ganging up. The classroom struck me as similar to cyberbullying;spoiler[ the "normal" girls find the nail that sticks up on their phones and label her as evil.] |
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Yttrbio
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Doesn't that feel a bit... straightforward? I'm still waiting to see something interesting, but nothing this show has shown seems particularly challenging.
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justsomeaccount
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TALK. LIKE. GODDAMN. PERSONS.
I know this show is metaphorical and shit but even then you still have to make the characters somewhat palatable to hear, and the way their dialogues are written are unidentifiable, I don't see characters, I see puppets of the writer, and the designs and voices reinforce it, and I was trying to tolerate it for these two episodes but now I'm done. I really hope Utena and Penguindrum don't have this kind of awful dialogue that only seems concerned with speaking explicitely about the concepts of the show (even repeatedly) to the point that it's the only thing it matters, nothing else. And yeah blah blah invisible storm social prejudice and condemnation blah blah nail that sticks out blah blah give up on love and become invisible blah blah, but I am not really caring about this. Is this going to add something interesting to the issue of young lesbians, Class S, etc., or nothing and therefore would be better just read an article about those issues instead of a bland metaphorical version of it? |
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RestLessone
Posts: 1426 Location: New York |
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It's been niggling at the back of my mind. So far, many of the elements are pretty easy to pick up as metaphors, though they sort of get twisted up in other aspects of the story. (ex; how cruel the bears can be if we're supposed to identify them as open, harmless, and able to coexist. We're only 3 episodes in, though, so I expect it to be clarified eventually.) If we use the birds as an example, they were more a background piece until this episode, which puts almost too much emphasis on them. I was somewhat thinking that Ikuhara would add an additional element, and that the show (while being about homosexuality) would also be about another theme. To be fair, there are a couple other things going on, most noticeably the conversations with her dead mother. In the mean time, I'm enjoying the show and its aesthetic. I guess it's also possible that, after Penguindrum, he's been put in a position where his works need to be more obvious for sales purposes. |
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Yttrbio
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I'm not talking about it being too obvious or not obvious enough. I mean that the ideas being presented don't feel particularly challenging or interesting, which is supposedly what I'm supposed to get out of an Ikuhara piece. I did get it out of Penguindrum, but there's nothing here.
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RestLessone
Posts: 1426 Location: New York |
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Okay, I see what you mean. Maybe it's a cultural difference? In the west, the LGBT movement is quite visible, and plenty of media have (overall) similar themes. YKA seems to be tackling the specific cultural construction that girls are 'allowed' to indulge in relatively chaste homosexual relationships but are expected to grow out of it and marry men. I'm not sure how many Japanese TV series or films, besides the Wandering Son anime, actively provide social commentary on LGBT causes. To a viewer over there, it may seem challenging.
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