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Seif
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So how's the dub? I'll watch subtitles if I have to, but a quality of a good dub increases my enjoyment a lot.
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LydiaDianne
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 Haven't listened to the dub track yet. I'm pretty backed up on my anime with all of the good sales TSRI has had since October and they all arrived pretty much at once. Sooo.....
But, I'm sure that someone else out there knows. 
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darkchibi07
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I, for one, heard the English dub. It's a solid Bang Zoom! dub as expected, and there weren't any miscasting. Kate Higgins' voice for Saber is very formal and stiff as it fits her character at this point of the story. It took me a while to get used to Mela Lee's voice for Rin though she seem to nail the rather bitchy yet cutesy personality she has. Liam O'Brian's voice for Archer starts out great, and I can't wait for his moment to shine in that certain episode. Jennifer Sekiguchi's lliya's pretty much nailed the evil, cutesy voice.
Well, those are the voices that sort of stood out to me. |
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Nagisa
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Are certain characters' accents properly represented, or did they go with the common approach of denying characters of any sort of accent at all times? It's probably petty, but I just think retaining at least a spoiler[British] accent for Saber and an Irish accent for Lancer would really provide a nice boost for the dub. I mean, it's not like it's an unreasonable thing to do as, say, Mediterranean accents for Rider and Caster might be. And yes, I realize the absurdity of spoiler tagging Saber's accent, but it is a potential spoiler of sorts given that Saber's identity is supposed to be top secret. Lancer, on the other hand, outs himself rather eagerly in like his fifth line of dialogue. 
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darkchibi07
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It could be my imagination, but I think Higgins slipped into a spoiler[British accent] at very brief moments, but nonetheless she pretty much patterned her voice off of Ayako Kawasumi's voice. Same with Tony Oliver's though I have to admit, I really did not recognize his voice at first when Lancer started talking.
So yea, it's a bit disappointing they didn't go full force with the accents. |
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Porcupine
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EXCELLENT dubbing, even better than normal (which is still quite good) for the Geneon dubbing studio that did this show (don't know exactly how it goes, I don't follow studios closely, but I'm aware of the individual voice actors and which ones tend to work for which distribution companies and/or studios).
I agree that Jennifer Sekiguchi so far has been a great Illya (all she really had to say was 'Go get em Berserker!' and stuff like that) which is the most surprising thing since I generally do not like her voice and think she is not one of the better voice actresses. I was very impressed with Kate Higgins' Saber (I like Kate Higgins voice in general. BTW, is Kate Higgins the same person as Kate Davis?) but I expected as much from her since she is very good at doing that type of person. Archer's voice is great. Rin's voice actress I thought was great too, and that's nice since it was someone I'd not heard before. Good dubbing also is not entirely the result of good voice actors, but also the ADR director and/or writers I think who ensure that everything is done right, and that misread lines are redone until they are good. With the exception of a few awkward lines (unfortunately one of them is right in the beginning, when Kirei Kotomine the church guy awkwardly mentions the Holy Grail Wars) everything is really well done in the dub. Unfortunately the sub for this show is not done as well. It's the worst sub I've ever seen Geneon do, mispellings and grammar errors everywhere! ;D Also, I'm sad because two of my favorite voice actresses who often do Geneon stuff so far have not appeared in this show...Michelle Ruff (Arcueid) and Carrie Savage (Yumitsuka). I wonder if they will be someone later on. I've not seen any episodes of Fate beyond the first 4, maybe Michelle Ruff would be a good fit for Rider (not sure what japanese Rider sounds like)? Is any character cut out to be a Carrie Savage (BTW is Carrie Savage the same VA as Carrie Daniels aka Kanami from Scryed)? |
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Tony K.
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Just gave the dubbing a quick listen. So far I'd give it a B, maybe B+
Regal's Shirou sounds a little generic, but I'm very use to hearing the energetic voice of Noriaki Sugiyama (from Bleach, Naruto, and this, so that's a lot of screen time if you consider all of the characters he plays in those three). I wouldn't say Regal is bad. He's decent in his performance and fits the "pushover" personality very well, but that energy I said he lacked is a bit of a deterrent during those more dramatic scenes. Plus, Sugiyama is an excellent "pain screamer." If you've ever heard any of his characters get brutally wounded or injured, he really sounds like he's hurting  . Regal could use a little more energy.
Rin fooled me for the first few minutes. I thought her VA was going to be a little too bi*chy for her own good. But as the mood progresses into the different situations (the not so dramatic ones), her voice calms down a lot more and captures most of that cute, yet snobby tone of voice that Kana Ueda has in Japanese. Her chemistry with Archer is off to a good start, and he (Archer) sounds like he has a lot of potential so far. It's a shame Crispin Freeman doesn't do Geneon dubs anymore (aside from his Alucard), as I feel he was a great stand-in for Junichi Suwabe's Fuuma from X (TV). Saber, however, is the best sounding of them all. Higgins does an excellent job expressing that stoic and upholding demeanor that makes Saber so quietly attractive. If anyone here is familiar with Ayako Kawasumi's roles as Saber and Lafiel, this is just about dead on, and I could honestly hear this voice for either of those characters. Unfortunately, I only skimmed through the first 3 episodes, and did so in a hurry so I could preview my Zipang starter set as well (which has horrible dubbing, by the way  !), so these are only something like prelminary comments.
The dialogue is a little bland in the in first episode or two, especially during the parts where Shirou is at school talking to Issei (played by the ever-dull Lex Lang) and when he's eating at the table with Fuji-nee and Sakura. I had a serious problem with those two. Well, not so much Fuji-nee, but Sakura. I've not heard anything from this VA, but the pitch and inflection in her voice is just too high and fake for me. This is a problem I hear a lot in English dubbing where VAs will be cast to try and mimic the original seiyuu as best as possible, but they run the risk of forcing a sound that's either out of their range or right on the brink of it. Another good example you could refer to is Aya from Tenjou Tenge. Japanese pronunciations could also use work here and there, but seeing as how there's not much of it, I don't see it being a big problem (I get a chuckle everytime I hear Sakura prounonced as "Soccer-uh"). Oh, and Tony Oliver does a really good Lancer. His voice has good range in portraying all kinds of characters, and he plays the cocky and nonchalant Lancer well. Getting to Nagisa's question about accents. I heard next to nothing from what I sampled. Everyone sounds generically American. The things to pay attention to, in my opinion, are casting, inflection, then dialogue (in that order). If you can accept the first two, then it's an above average dub and should be at least suitable for fans of the series. |
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Porcupine
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> Just gave the dubbing a quick listen. So far I'd give it a B, maybe B+
Yeah, sounds about right. I already commented that the first episode had a few awkward dubbing lines and moments, too. I personally would give it a B+/A-, you might even agree with me if you watched all 4 episodes since the dubbing was better in the later ones. Although not perfect, I'll gladly accept the quality of this dub. I was afraid it would be awful. Usually these types of shows (dating-sim or specific-audience genre, as opposed to "mainstream-shown-on-TV" like Bleach, Eureka 7, etc) get shafted in terms of dub quality. Even when the same VAs are used, usually the ADR dialogue is hastily written and doesn't come out well. For example, I thought Tsukihime had BAD dubbing, even with a similar cast of VAs from the same studio. 
> Regal's Shirou sounds a little generic, but I'm very use to hearing the energetic voice of Noriaki Sugiyama He didn't stand out to me but I didn't think it was bad at all. It didn't seem that much worse/different than the Japanese VA to me. However I can't understand Japanese so I do not pick up Japanese voice inflections that well. > he (Archer) sounds like he has a lot of potential so far. It's a shame Crispin Freeman doesn't I think Crispin Freeman is a great voice actor, but I'm very satisfied with Liam O'Brien's Archer. Him and Saber are the best sounding of them all I think, but I'm also very pleased about Rin. Interestingly enough, last night I was watching the Geneon GunxSword dub (I don't recommend this show though, it's awful IMO) and it was way better than the Fate/Stay Night dub in my opinion, despite Jennifer Sekiguchi (whom I dislike as I said earlier) doing Wendy the main girl. The ADR directing/writing was perfect, and when I checked who did it, it was Liam O'Brien. > Higgins does an excellent job expressing that stoic Higgins is really good at doing pessimisstic characters that like to drone I think. She was Leyla from Zatch Bell and the main guy's sister in Bleach. > Issei (played by the ever-dull Lex Lang) I like Lex Lang, it's Crim the Crimson Lightning!  But I don't love him, I have no problem with him being used for a relatively unimportant (I think) guy like Issei.
> Sakura. I've not heard anything from this VA, but the pitch and inflection in her voice is just too high and fake for me. Yes, I know exactly what you mean. The kind of fake voice that Sakura has I don't like either. But what annoys me the most is when Jennifer Sekiguchi does it, like she does for Illya. So far Illya hasn't spoken much and seems manageable, but I still fear for the future. Jennifer Sekiguchi sounds okay when she does NOT use the fake falsetto voice, like when she does Wendy in GunxSword, Mamimi in FLCL (?), or when she said "Go get em, Berserker!" in Fate she reverted to her normal (?) voice which is okay. Now that you mention it, I think Carrie Savage would have been a perfect Sakura. Dang, why didn't they cast her as Sakura? Carrie Savage is one of the only dub VA who has a super high little-girly voice that sounds natural and is not falsetto. That being said though I think Sakura's dub VA is not the worst. The falsetto voice is bad, but inflection-wise I can find no faults with her performance. > I get a chuckle everytime I hear Sakura prounonced as "Soccer-uh". Haha, that is how I say Sakura too in real life.  I like pronouncing things however I want.
> Tony Oliver does a really good Lancer. I'm not as familiar as you about his other works but I totally agree Lancer was excellent. > I heard next to nothing from what I sampled. Everyone sounds generically American. I kind of agree. I did notice a few semi-accents from time-to-time but I cannot really say they are British or whatever. It could just be that is how they spoke. For example Rin I can remember in the beginning of episode 2 said "either" as "ai-ther" but I don't know if that is because she has an accent or she just wanted to speak that way. |
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LydiaDianne
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I've been meaning to mention this to you since the topic of spoiler[King Arthur] came up. There is a nice short story by Elizabeth Ann Scarborough called Debriefing the Warrior/Princess with spoiler[Arthur as Princess Diana! I'll leave it to you to guess who Guinevere and Lancelot were!  ]
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Oronae
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My only problem with the dub is purely a stylistic one. I object to the inclusion of random Japanese like "Senpai" and "Fuji-nee", but then again they did the same thing back in Tsukihime so I'll forgive them in the name of "consistency".
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Iwatch2muchanime
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OI, I found Faith/stay Knight. What is this exactly?
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frentymon
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I think it's some AV live-action spinoff of Fate/Stay Night, much like Maria-sama ga Miteiru. |
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Nagisa
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Porn. Really crappy cosplay porn. They changed the title and character names to avoid getting sued. They've done it with Maria-sama ga Miteru, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Mobile Suit Gundam, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and I think Rozen Maiden (among others, I'm sure), in the past. |
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Iwatch2muchanime
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That's what I thought, I haven't seen this one, but I have seen the Haruhi one and I just though it could've been different but I guess it wasn't...
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fighterholic
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That's quite a few. I know they did it for Haruhi from the other thread, but all of those? Cheap ideas but I guess all you need is name of reference and some cute looking empty-headed girls. Lord of the G-Strings would probably be better. Anyway I'm thinking that starting off with getting the box would be the best thing to do so I won't have to worry about it later. |
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