×
  • remind me tomorrow
  • remind me next week
  • never remind me
Subscribe to the ANN Newsletter • Wake up every Sunday to a curated list of ANN's most interesting posts of the week. read more

Forum - View topic
NEWS: Japanese BD/DVD Sales Down 6.2% From 2015


Goto page 1, 2  Next

Note: this is the discussion thread for this article

Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Blanchimont



Joined: 25 Feb 2012
Posts: 3453
Location: Finland
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:23 pm Reply with quote
Can't exactly say I'm surprised...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
FenixFiesta



Joined: 22 Apr 2013
Posts: 2581
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:45 pm Reply with quote
Blanchimont wrote:
Can't exactly say I'm surprised...

When one considers multiple fronts for why sales could decline (retail costs, overall shift to streaming media, the target demographics being appealed to, a drop in overall economy) there is no surprise at all that sales for BD/DVD overall will trend downward.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mgosdin



Joined: 17 Jul 2011
Posts: 1302
Location: Kissimmee, Florida, USA
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:08 pm Reply with quote
It looks to be more complicated than what you would think. Disks sold in greater numbers, but generated less revenue. That implies that the selling price of Blu-Rays / DVDs in Japan has gone down, not so much that they aren't selling. I'm sure streaming is having an impact regardless.

Mark Gosdin
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Actar



Joined: 21 Nov 2010
Posts: 1074
Location: Singapore
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:11 pm Reply with quote
The question this raises is: Is the increase in streaming revenue enough to cover for the loss of revenue from falling DVD/BD sales?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
CooperRC



Joined: 17 Feb 2015
Posts: 22
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:14 pm Reply with quote
mgosdin wrote:
It looks to be more complicated than what you would think. Disks sold in greater numbers, but generated less revenue. That implies that the selling price of Blu-Rays / DVDs in Japan has gone down, not so much that they aren't selling. I'm sure streaming is having an impact regardless.

Mark Gosdin


It says that individual sales were down in both revenue and numbers though. The increase in numbers was for rentals.

In any case, the industry needs to adapt or fail. Physical copies are going to enter a downward spiral. Most of the people in the US that I know who bought anime have stopped doing so and just watch streams; I am the only one left in my group.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Megiddo



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Posts: 8360
Location: IL
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:28 pm Reply with quote
In terms of late-night anime home video sales, 2016 was awful. I'm shocked it was only down 6.2% overall. Must have had a growth for non-anime BD/DVDs or something.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
v1cious



Joined: 31 Dec 2002
Posts: 6203
Location: Houston, TX
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:35 pm Reply with quote
Uh yeah, it's called Blu Ray. Hardly surprising.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime My Manga
Blood-
Bargain Hunter



Joined: 07 Mar 2009
Posts: 23787
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:49 pm Reply with quote
There are a couple of things that confuse me about this report. Item #1 is the use of the phrase "net worth." To me, a non-book-keeper, "net worth" is the value of something once liabilities have been subtracted from assets. If you have $100,000 worth of assets and $50,000 worth of debt, your "net worth" is $50,000. So the figures being quoted ... are they gross revenues (meaning the value of sales without any expenses being subtracted) or are they gross revenues that do have expenses subtracted?

Then the other thing that confuses me is the inclusion of bonus Blu-rays and DVDs into the equation. I may be wrong, but when these bonus items are bundled in magazines or manga aren't they free? If so, how can they be factored into yearly sales figures?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime My Manga
KH91



Joined: 17 May 2013
Posts: 6176
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:57 pm Reply with quote
It would have increased had Yu-Gi-Oh! The Dark SIde of Dimensions released in 2016, but....11 months later JP BD release gonna 11 months later.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CandisWhite



Joined: 19 Apr 2015
Posts: 282
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:20 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
There are a couple of things that confuse me about this report. Item #1 is the use of the phrase "net worth." To me, a non-book-keeper, "net worth" is the value of something once liabilities have been subtracted from assets. If you have $100,000 worth of assets and $50,000 worth of debt, your "net worth" is $50,000. So the figures being quoted ... are they gross revenues (meaning the value of sales without any expenses being subtracted) or are they gross revenues that do have expenses subtracted?

Then the other thing that confuses me is the inclusion of bonus Blu-rays and DVDs into the equation. I may be wrong, but when these bonus items are bundled in magazines or manga aren't they free? If so, how can they be factored into yearly sales figures?

1) You're right. The net worth of a product/service is what it is worth after costs are deducted; If the net worth of a product/service goes down it means that costs have gone up without increased revenue to make up for it. e.g. DVDs/Blu-rays cost more to make/sell but have not increased in price to reflect that; I assume that this is because they are already so expensive in Japan and the companies don't want sales to drop, any more than they have, due to higher prices. It would be silly to chart and compare gross revenue because $1 000 000 in sales tells you nothing: You could have spent $3 000 000 to get that; Even if you make a profit, your profit margin may be on the decline, as is the case here. The number on the chart for 2016 matches up with the number given for net revenue so we're looking at the right figures.

2) The bonus items are a gratuity to the customer; The magazine, not so much. The magazine purchases the DVD and throws it in as an incentive for the customer to buy that particular issue.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Blood-
Bargain Hunter



Joined: 07 Mar 2009
Posts: 23787
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:09 am Reply with quote
@ CandisWhite - well, I guess my next question would be how JVA obtained reports on expenses in order to come up with a "net worth" figure. Gross revenue and sales figures can be obtained from sources other than the companies who release the DVD/BDs. The expenses they incur to bring those items to market cannot, as far as I can figure out. A company would have to voluntarily report those expenses (assuming it's not publically traded) and I find that a little hard to believe, but maybe...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime My Manga
CandisWhite



Joined: 19 Apr 2015
Posts: 282
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:38 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
@ CandisWhite - well, I guess my next question would be how JVA obtained reports on expenses in order to come up with a "net worth" figure. Gross revenue and sales figures can be obtained from sources other than the companies who release the DVD/BDs. The expenses they incur to bring those items to market cannot, as far as I can figure out. A company would have to voluntarily report those expenses (assuming it's not publically traded) and I find that a little hard to believe, but maybe...

I imagine companies might be willing to share certain information with a professional organization that tracks industry trends, to show where the market is going, so that they can be aware of the broader story themselves.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Kadmos1



Joined: 08 May 2014
Posts: 13559
Location: In Phoenix but has an 85308 ZIP
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:35 am Reply with quote
Don't forget that recording industries are not past using Hollywood-type Accounting so they can avoid paying royalties. In doing so, they might still blame piracy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
residentgrigo



Joined: 23 Dec 2007
Posts: 2424
Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:08 pm Reply with quote
I don´t think that anyone can add anything here and a financially viable web distribution is still a pipe dream. All of this was a forgone conclusion too, but when exactly will the fallout take place, if the amount of product isn´t decelerating. I don´t want another scorched earth breakdown in the very near future...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website My Anime My Manga
TarsTarkas



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Posts: 5836
Location: Virginia, United States
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:24 pm Reply with quote
CooperRC wrote:

In any case, the industry needs to adapt or fail. Physical copies are going to enter a downward spiral. Most of the people in the US that I know who bought anime have stopped doing so and just watch streams; I am the only one left in my group.


I don't think anything dire like that is happening. In fact I have noticed an increase of anime product for sale at several Best Buy stores. For years, anime has been decreasing at Best Buy stores, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

I can't speak accurately to F.Y.E., but they seem to remain steady on their anime inventory, if displayed horribly.

The military shopping exchanges that purposefully stock anime usually have better variety of anime than even Best Buy. The Norfolk Navy Exchange in Virginia probably has the largest selection of anime in the area, though between them an F.Y.E., I could be slightly wrong.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group