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Heh. I hope they know what they're doing. Divorcing the show from its main audience isn't going to automatically attract the "general" audience. If they focus on the male relationships well, I can see this working out, but otherwise, seems silly to have picked this to adapt and then drop any real hint of the otome and romantic aspect.

but what's the use of making it for fujoshi when yumejoshi are the ones playing the game?

Heh. I hope they know what they're doing. Divorcing the show from its main audience isn't going to automatically attract the "general" audience. If they focus on the male relationships well, I can see this working out, but otherwise, seems silly to have picked this to adapt and then drop any real hint of the otome and romantic aspect.

I fully agree. I don't know why some companies are doing this nowadays. I was so disappointed by Ikemen Sengoku too. I don't hate fujoshi at all, but what's the use of making it for fujoshi when yumejoshi are the ones playing the game?

That's not true at all? A lot of these games have BL fan following. (I think more BL fans are into UtaPri fandom than the people who are in it for the romance!) Also, that's not quite what "yumejoshi" means... "yumejoshi" means people who do self-insert fanfics/fanart/etc. and generally ship themselves with the characters (and then potentially hate on people who ship the characters with someone else). It's not "people who play otome games" - not everyone who plays these games is in it for the self-insert potential, in fact I'd say most people are not.

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Basically, fujoshi and yumejoshi are types of female otaku. A fujoshi can also be like a yumejoshi and vice versa. The only thing is that female otaku does not mean only fujoshi. Many people think that female otaku=fujoshi and that's not correct.

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That's not true at all? A lot of these games have BL fan following. (I think more BL fans are into UtaPri fandom than the people who are in it for the romance!) Also, that's not quite what "yumejoshi" means... "yumejoshi" means people who do self-insert fanfics/fanart/etc. and generally ship themselves with the characters (and then potentially hate on people who ship the characters with someone else). It's not "people who play otome games" - not everyone who plays these games is in it for the self-insert potential, in fact I'd say most people are not.

UtaPri I can understand, since an otome blogger or two I follow said that the second game/third game focused more on the guys themselves than Haruka and that also made some fans back in the day a bit mad. The new mobage has almost no romance iirc.

About the self-insert potential...I sort of disagree with you there because of the usual type of heroine I’ve seen in mobile otome games but that’s a whole other discussion lol.

I think there's a pretty clear difference between "fujoshi" and "yumejoshi" (also I wish people realized that these are still derogatory terms, reclaimed by the people in question or not). Fujoshi are into the dudes being in relationships with each other; yumejoshi are into the dudes being in a relationship with them. (In particular, there's been a trend of some yumejoshi bothering fujoshi over their preferences.) But yeah, fujoshi =/= female otaku, for sure, and I really hate it when it's used that way in western discussions.

I don't know what blogger told you that (actually, I have an idea and that blogger has a rather... particular way of looking at things) but the later UtaPri games have plenty of romance. It's just that there's also more about the boys themselves doing stuff other than being obsessed with the heroine, and the heroine is more in a support position. But UtaPri had amassed a pretty impressive BL fandom from the very first game, simply because romance aside, the guys have fun relationships with each other, and are already paired up for your convenience (the roommate pairs: Otoya/Tokiya, Natsuki/Shou, Ren/Masa).
Btw, the mobage has romantic elements, too, it's just toned down a lot, and done differently than the original games - it's like most mobage of its ilk.)

Obviously this depends on the game and the characters, too - if the characters have "no life", as such, other than the romance and whatever their plot is about then the game is less likely to develop a BL fandom. If the guys have fun friendships/rivalries/etc. and have banter and whatnot, then it's a lot more likely.

From what I see there might be a divide on this between Eastern and Western sensibilities. Going by my anecdata at least, on the Eastern side a lot more people seem to be into games like this for the guys; while on the Western side more people are in it for the self-insert (hence you have all those complaints about heroines' personality being one-dimensional or them lacking agency, or the relationships being "problematic", etc.).

Yeah, they're not considered "nice" terms. Oh, really? Yumejoshi bothering fujoshi? In the West or Japan? And which game/franchise was it? I can think of one but I'm not sure...

Ah, that blogger was taking about either the second or third game, not the ones after it. This is my opinion, since I only watched the UtaPri anime and haven't actually played the games, but I had to drop the third season of the anime because of how Haruka was sidelined and it didn't improve in the fourth season either. I was disappointed because I was watching for the romance and I didn't like it when Haruka basically became almost like a manager. I do watch idol anime like Starmyu or SideM and like them though.

Hmm, but in games like Code:Realize or Hakuouki, the male characters are full of life and have their own stories. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by having "no life". I have seen people ship Tsubaki and Azusa from BroCon and I totally see why hehe.

Yep, it's because of that that I don't consider the UtaPri mobage as an otome game. It's just more like i7, A3 and the like (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Yeah, pretty much this. Western fans....though I'm far from the west, want a more proactive heroine. For me, she doesn't have to be a superwoman or anything, but something like Cardia from Code:Realize or the protagonist from Wand of Fortune. All the same though, I don't condone those who want to self-insert in an otome game. It's just that with console otome game sales slowly dying in Japan, I don't want to see new otome mobage like Sengoku Night Blood or the new Dance Strips to only have have a heroine who is basically a blank slate who gets pulled by whatever happens. I'd just like some strong heroines too, along with self-insert heroines.