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pachy_boy
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Guess it'll forever be left up to our imaginations what the Shin Godzilla ending could have signified.
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Sam Murai
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So…basically a modern Showa slate of films?
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levonr
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Well thats disappointing that Shin Godzilla won't get a sequel. Toho probably didn't want to wait for Anno to get around to it.
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EricJ2
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Shin Godzilla wasn't even Godzilla, he was a blob that came out of the ocean, evolved into something resembling classic Godzilla, and then just stood there for a third of the movie while the characters debated Abe-era militarism and foreign-relations. (When SG shoots laser beams out of his back spines, and a pilot says "How can he do that?"...uh, yeah. How?  )
Now that Dean Devlin's Godzilla already has a name, can we refer to Shin as "GZ In Name Only"? And it shows you the true depth and scale of the "Marvel-envy" problem in Hollywood and Tokyo, when Toho actually forgets that they already HAD a "shared Monster universe" for Godzilla fifty years ago! ...Monster Island, those words ring a bell?? |
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Hawkmonger
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Shin Godzilla is to Gojira what....well, Shin Kamen Rider is to Kamen Rider. A violent, visceral, tangibly real re imagining of the core concept.
Sorry to disagree but Shin Gojira is arguably the most REAL he's been since '54. |
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Nordhmmer
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Shin Godzilla is today's version of Godzilla vs Hedora,with both directors really hammering the audience with their respective messages.
For me,Shin Godzilla firing omni-directional laser blasts and sprouting humanoid clones of itself is jumping the shark as was Godzilla flying (though loved it as a kid). Shin Godzilla belongs with Space Godzilla & Zilla,my two cents. Toho going back to the Destroy all Monsters/Monster Island premise perhaps... |
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residentgrigo
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Good to hear that Shin Godzilla is a one-off, as a sequel would bastardize what made it good.
Can´t say that i will likely check out this shared universe remake but it will hardly be the first. It will also compete with the US MonsterVerse. Kong: Skull Island was shocking good, so good luck America. A truly good US Zilla may be in our future. |
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Animegomaniac
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That's what I love in my allegories, realism. I'd honestly like Shin Godzilla… I can't say "more"... if it didn't try to trade in on Godzilla nostalgia. "Look, it evolved a nuclear heat/plasma beam!" "Why? Or maybe how?" "What, it's the next step after legs. Haven't you read Darwin?" However, I would have accepted "dripping blood turning into a poison" but then it wouldn't have been Godzilla. As for the shared universe thing, Toho never did it in the first place. Godzilla, Varan, Rodan, Mothra, King Ghidorah and Baragon all had separate movies after which they they were all in Godzilla movies. To compare it to the Marvel Method, it'd be like everyone had a separate movie but every sequel was another Avengers sequel. The same thing was done by Universal Monsters in the 30s/40s; Once everything was combined, it never got separated for individual sequels. What Toho's probably going to do is the same as WB/Legendary is doing with Godzilla and King Kong. Do some separate movies and then MASH them. The real shared universe is in the sequels and not the team movies. You can't simply have Godzilla in every movie and call it a shared universe because in those cases, it's just Godzilla. What would be a real shared universe? Take Gigan. Start with an origin movie... which itself is long overdue.... followed by a real Godzilla vs Gigan which is then followed by Gigan 2. What would happen in those movies outside the "vs Godzilla" ones? That's the problem. "Gigan's back and he's bigger and badder! Than Ever! Again!" "Call the Avengers… I mean, it's the Godzilla Threshold... I mean... it's Mothra time?" |
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EricJ2
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Although Toho's mashups were for the same reason as Universal's 40's mashups: Pre-code 30's horror movies had stepped over the "public taste" line for shocking the public, there was a backlash against horror movies, and Universal stayed away from Lugosi and Karloff for years. Later in the 40's, they discovered Frankenstein and the Wolfman were popular with kids' matinees, and kids couldn't get enough of monsters--So they cut back to more B productions with a lighter, more B-movie tone, promising 10-yo's more monsters in one movie! After the sillier, more fantasy tone of "Mothra", Ishiro Honda discovered his taste for the tongue-in-cheek kaiju-epic "subplot", that Godzilla's rampage would only be interrupting some spy caper or alien invasion, the tone turned lighter, GZ got his "good" image, and the films appealed more to Saturday kids' matinees, that wanted to see crossover battles with GZ winning! Of course, that hit bottom with "Godzilla's Revenge", but then, the original Minilla or Ebirah didn't exactly have the darkness or nuclear allegory of the Dr. Serizawa original.
And the real problem with "Marvel-envy" is that every other jealous studio thinks Marvel is making it up as they go along, and, ultimately tries to themselves. That's the big mistake. Like Toho, Marvel already had their stories for fifty years, in the print comics--When they adapt Infinity War, or Civil War, or the "Hulk gladiator" story in Thor: Ragnarok, they believe they're doing "literary adaptations" of stories their core fans already know by heart; now it's just a matter of converting the unbelievers. Problem is, you CAN'T tell one of the stories without telling five or six of the others, so they can't tell us the Civil War story without telling us about how Steve Rogers was frozen in the ice or Tony Stark built his neato armor to escape terrorists. If they just cut to the chase and mentioned it in the dialogue, we might be a bit confused. With Toho's kaiju, it was the same as Universal's Monsters in the 30's (and not, ahem, the Tom Cruise versions): A studio working under the "factory" system grinds out a popular brandname, and then, after its fans identify with the characters, there's shared house IP to have the characters reference each other, and the Twin Fairies that Nelson kidnapped in "Mothra" can show up on a TV show to say that Ghidrah is coming, and convince Godzilla and Rodan join the battle. The reason Universal failed so epically with manufacturing "universe strategies" in The Mummy, and Paramount with Transformers 5, was that they tried to gloss over that tricky middle step, said, "Here's your next five sequels, that you'll rush to the theater for, over our three-year strategy of already-announced release dates!", and the audience, as expected, said "Like **** we will.  "
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