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MarshalBanana
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I remember Greg Ayres going on about how much he liked this show at a panel once
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Angel M Cazares
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It is a solid show. It has one of the best written gay couple in anime that I have seen.
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Spastic Minnow
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maybe "one of the best written gay couple in anime" but I still didn't like the pair. Maybe written better than most, but I still found it way too dependent on the traditional Fujoshi seme/uke top/bottom pairing. |
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crazieanimefan1
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Glad I got my copy at a convention. Never looked back on it as it's an awesome show.
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giomikass
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Aww man, I loved this anime, too bad I won't be able to buy the DVD anymore.
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SHD
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I think you might have projected those stereotypes on it. I never had the feeling that it was going by the stereotypes, and if you checked the fandom at the time it was pretty equally split as far as seme/uke/reversible setup went. (And in any case, this series at least showed a male-on-male romantic kiss on-screen, unlike certain other shows that fans like to tout as revolutionary/groundbreaking/etc. despite never daring to fully and openly commit to the central relationship being unambiguously a romance, and also relying much more heavily on stereotypes than No. 6...) |
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fencer_x
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Neither of the kisses in No. 6 were romantic, and Nozumi leaves and plans to never return despite his promise (as confirmed in the final short collection). YOI has a happy ending with the two together, still wearing their rings, and the creator refuses to confirm it’s a kiss because she assumes people aren’t idiots. It can only be a kiss in context given the dialogue and the fact that the creator outright said she created a world where no one hates over who you love. She would not say that over a mere hug. Stop being obtuse and thinking you sound enlightened by hating on a rightly popular show. |
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Break Xerxes
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Good thing I already bought this on blu-ray.
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Errant-Sophist
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Really? No idea which one you think was the stereotypical seme or uke. The gentle one or the one who dresses as a woman regularly? They both seemed like fleshed out characters, at any rate, not sure it bothers me that one is taller and more assertive.
I love Yuri on Ice, too, but a deliberately obscured kiss intended to be left to the audience to interpret (in the creator's own words) doesn't get the same points as an explicit on-screen same-sex kiss. We really must have been watching different shows if you think the kisses in No. 6 weren't intended as romantic; the characters' relationship was undeniably intimate and the kisses confirmed their relationship. |
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Spastic Minnow
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Really, the counter arguments to my complaint kind of prove my point. As admitted, it may be "one of the best written gay couple in anime"... again: " in anime" but your defenses are in relation to anime... the defining aspects of the terms... the way the fujoshi audience saw them, how they compare to other anime.
In a wider context a gentle flower-loving "boy" character and a more forceful cross-dresser still stay in the lines of fetishized fantasy. I think the original author of the novels wants to portray "people who just happen to be gay" (which I would consider the actual healthy approach) but is hampered by audience expectation. You have to write what is expected and what is expected is gay fantasy, not gay reality. As reality tends to actually upset a fujoshi's fantasy. I think the author's Battery tells a better story of probable gay characters exactly because it refuses to confirm that they are. (even if they are literally a "pitcher" and a "catcher") Getting hung up on whether a kiss is shown or not is not, IMO, a healthy approach. Explicitness does not equate to superiority. |
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Errant-Sophist
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I always find this a little funny, since I'm gay, and can verify that fujoshi didn't invent things like tops and bottoms - which is kind of a moot point, since No. 6 obviously doesn't go into that, anyway. I'm also not sure what I'm not supposed to find "realistic" vs. a fujoshi fantasy. The fact that one boy is gentle surely does not constrain his personality to pornographic fantasy, and certainly neither is the gender fluidity in the other - you can find both personalities everywhere in LGBT media itself. At any rate, as long as they are developed characters, I don't get what makes their relationship less realistic than any other fictional characters' relationship. Again, being gay, I would much rather see an on-screen kiss than something left vague, if we are going to talk about representation. An on-screen kiss doesn't mean a particular pairing is better or more nuanced, but it does mean the creators have opted to make the romance canon instead of being wishy-washy about it - and that means a lot, in terms of representation. We've been getting stories that toe the line of homosexuality for thousands of years, at this point, I want stories that refuse to leave it up to audience interpretation. |
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jenthehen
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I snatched this up a few days ago for $10 because I imagine since it's going to be out of print (and probably no longer streaming with the license expiring?) it will end up being hard to find / expensive ...
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Spastic Minnow
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Well, I'm not gay, just a well-meaning ally, but it felt quite unnatural to me. If you got out of it what you needed, I'm happy for you.
Didn't help that I didn't like the actual dystopian fantasy aspect either. I'd have to find my comments in the old series thread or my year end reviews about what I didn't like about that part though (I was very active in the forum around then- I was watching and commenting on almost everything). I dropped it around the point they split and one of them traveled off to find in a group in a cave for a nonsensical info dump or something. In short- the show didn't work for me in multiple ways. |
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SHD
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Did we watch the same show? The kisses were very much romantic, and as Errant-Sophist also noted, Shion and Nezumi had a very close, obviously intimate relationship - maybe not to the point of actually having a sexual relationship, but emotionally and even physically they were very close to the point where "romantic" is the only way to explain it, and the show never shied away from that. Sure, it's not a bombastic romance with the characters talking about their feelings, but if your defense of YoI being all wishy-washy about openly acknowledging the characters' relationship is that "the creator assumes people aren't idiots", well... |
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Errant-Sophist
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It's cool, different strokes for different folks, and all. I actually don't think it's a perfect show, either. In terms of plot and world-building, I think the first half is extraordinary, and then it falls to mediocrity. It's been quite awhile since I've watched it, but I remember being disappointed in later episodes, too, and how the plot resolved (or didn't resolve) itself. Still, I did really like Shion and Rat, and a few other characters. |
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