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MFrontier
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There is no premise they can't sell with cute girls.
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Blanchimont
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You're underselling it, the manga takes the titular topic quite seriously. It's a great sports manga paired with great art and accurate depictions of the various moves and bouts. |
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SHD
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Honestly, I started reading the manga a long time ago, and though I kind of fell off I do think that as far as "cute girls do sports" manga goes this was tons, TONS better than most other efforts - it's really not trying to sell itself by the cast's moe factor, it's really about the sport and the people who do it.
That said, the primary reason I fell off is that it is, still, a "cute girls" thing and while yes, the manga is not relying on moe, the fact that the moe is there kind of annoys me even more. Because it's like, you have a good story here! decent characters! why can't you do this manga without making them all Cute Girls(TM)! It's like in the '90s when it seemed like the price to pay for having otherwise interesting sci-fi/action anime was getting T&A in my face every time. So annoying. I hate to bring up Teppuu again and again, but that is a great example of how you can do a sports manga about female characters where the cast is girls, yes, but not Cute Girls. Some of them are pretty, some of them are cute, but there's no moe factor, they're not Cute Girls. Why can't there be more manga like that. :/ |
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Hoppy800
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The problem is the genre, SOL anime just doesn't work well with a lot of more contact based combat sports like it does with hockey, soccer, volleyball, and the like. It's something that really needs the battle shounen treatment, Nanoha/Extreme Hearts treatment, or the Senran Kagura treatment, as in making it a tad spicy.
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Megiddo
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Huh, I've never really heard of Bakken Record so it's neat to see a newish studio bring about an anime that I'm interested in. Also nice to see a couple names of seiyuu that I wasn't already familiar with. I definitely think SoL/judo can be a solid mix (I rather enjoyed Yawara! after all). PV looks solid, the judo moves shown look like pretty regular judo and it looks like they're not doing a ton of animation shortcuts, at least not in the footage in the PV, which is always nice.
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MagicPolly
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Not really new unfortunately, they're just a production label for Tatsunoko. |
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cosmix2
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Yeah, but Mou Ippon! still has immense value the way it is. Both in writing and art, which cannot be understated regardless of the style. I'll be kinda upset if newcomers ignore that. In my opinion, the style Mou Ippon! has perfectly compliments the type of series it is, it's both an intense and engaging spokon with many characters pushing themselves to the limit, but it's also a positive and joyful series about a bunch of teenagers and the friendships and connections they share on and off the floor. And even then the style still has it still has a unique style among other cute girls stuff, especially with the detailed spreads. Maybe Teppuu has the better aesthetic, maybe Mou Ippon! would look better if it followed that, but it just wouldn't hit the same. They're different series with different tones, they don't need to be alike. On that note, check out Tsubame Tip-Off!, that's my all-time favourite girls' sports series and should offer what you're looking for. There's also JJM - Joshi Judobu Monogatari, which has a really non-moe look to it, but you're gonna have to live with reading it untranslated. That being said, in terms of success, there's no difference. As a fan of girls' sports, a series like this is pretty much doomed moe or not because people want just cute girls with a topic as a formality, and boy's sports will always continue to flourish. Mou Ippon!'s manga isn't super high-selling for that reason. Tsubame Tip-Off!, despite its awesome writing, character designs, and portrayal of basketball, was canceled. Even though it flopped hard with the girls' sports aspect, Blue Box is still incredibly successful and that specific aspect of the series is never criticised. HANEBADO! & Harukana Recieve never got second seasons. Farewell, My Dear Cramer's anime looked bad. Asahinagu never got an anime despite being the most successful girls' sports manga I've ever seen. Teppuu also has no anime. JJM is the only girls' sports series serializing with over a million copies in circulation, with no anime. Despite an abundance of great works, it's not a genre with tons of demand. Unless your series is called Uma Musume: Pretty Derby, you're pretty much screwed. And I love Uma Musume, but it isn't the kinda spokon I want.
Extreme Hearts looked crap and I really didn't enjoy it, I hope no girls' sports ever tries to do things as it did, idols and sports should not be put together. I will forever be skeptical of originals in that genre. I don't want spice, I just want what the boy's sports series have but with female characters. Exciting, emotional, and well-portrayed sports stories created by people who are clearly passionate about whatever sport they're doing, the Haikyus, the Daiya no Aces, the Ao Ashis, that's my ideal kinda spokon. There are a few series that fit that, but who wants a few? I want loads more, and I want them to be successful!! I'm just gonna continue to pray people realise that this whole genre is underappreciated and give it the love it deserves. Hopefully, Mou Ippon! and Birdie Wing S2 can show that. Last edited by cosmix2 on Sat Oct 22, 2022 8:24 am; edited 4 times in total |
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Blanchimont
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Medalist, a sports manga about figure skating, also deserves a mention. Although it undeniably banks a lot on its moe factor, it also has some of the best darn unique art and composition I've seen in a long while. I don't doubt it will eventually get an anime adaptation, it would be injustice if it won't... |
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cosmix2
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Thanks, I wanted to mention Medalist somewhere, but I couldn't find a way to. That's another incredible manga that checks off all those boxes I mentioned, and my #3 favourite girls' sports series! It's not in the million-copies club, but with it winning the Tsugi Ni Kuru Manga award this year, it will definitely get that boost in popularity, it sits at 450K copies in circulation. On that note, Mou Ippon! is at 300K. I hope Medalist can get an anime too, someday. If done well, it would be nuts... |
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Blortle
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It's really not a CGDCT series at all. It has some funny moments or characters hanging out but it's a very serious sports series. For the most part any "hanging out" is stuff largely there to break up tournaments or training and you should expect to see far more of the girls in their judogi inside a dojo or arena than you will in their uniforms talking about nothing. I think the big problem that I'm seeing with the anime is the character designs. I get that they'll always be simplified compared to manga art but it's an extreme case here and they leaned far too hard onto making them moe which (especially looking at some of the posts here) gives the wrong impression about what type of series this is. The early chapters (and thus I'm guessing the first couple of episodes) may give that impression too because it's introducing the characters, having them restart the club, introducing Natsume (their advisors/coach), and then introducing their first rivals (Kasumigaoka). I think once it hits the first tournament which, in the manga, starts with chapter 8 (so if they get things out of the way quickly they could probably hit that by episode 4), then I think people will realize that this is definitely a sports series first that treats its subject seriously, not simply as a backdrop for CGDCT shenanigans. The Towa/Amane match in that tournament is where it first really lays into the emotional part of the matches and the bonds of respect and competitive fire that form between the characters through them and if the anime can pull that off well, then it should hopefully erase any doubts. I do wonder how far it adapts though because we're still not sure how long it's going to be. If it's one cour, for example, I really can't see them going beyond the Kinshuki and even then they'd probably have to truncate some things to do it because that tournament in the manga is around 30 chapters. It would also mean that the season (and possible series if it doesn't get an additional season) ends before spoiler[Nagumo ever has a match] which would feel like a giant waste.
I don't know what you're talking about. I mean there's Cute Girls yes but I wouldn't say they all fall into the realm of being moe. Some do like Towa but the series also has girls like Sachi from Hakata Minami, a lot of the Tachikawa girls, or (as a later addition in the manga) Tsukasa who I don't think would qualify as moe. I'd argue that the series kind of bucks that trend a little too considering Michi and Sanae are both (in the actual manga art, at least) fairly explicitly intended to be a little doughier compared to characters like Himeno who are intended to be more traditionally pretty. There's a lot of characters. Some are cute, some aren't. There's a nice variety in the design and types instead of all of them looking generic. |
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