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Albion Hero
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This seems like a losing battle in the long run to fight against AI. Its only going to get better and better and at some point, its going to make more sense to use it then hire real people for companies. All of this push back against it reminds me of all the push back when machines started to get introduced into factories because "it would put so many people out of work". Yeah it did, but you can't stop progress...
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luisedgarf
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Yeah, but there is a main difference here: We are not in the 19th century anymore, and we have more tools to prevent disruptive technologies to pop up without previous research about their benefits or potential harms against people, so I wouldn't be surprised if many governments rules against such technology before it's too late. |
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micah007
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I think AI Art will receive more and more acceptance overtime. Previously, I did not feel this way but after reading articles about an increasing number of creatives finding use for AI Art in their professional work, I'm optimistically looking forward to seeing if and how the tech will remove barriers for traditionally excluded groups and people struggling to break into the industry. Unfortunately, many conversations I've seen arguing against the tech, are founded on preserving nebulous definitions of "true art" and prioritizing elitism and technophobia.
The tech seems scary to so many because it is forcing us to evaluate our assumptions and beliefs regarding "work", "creativity", and "ownership" which isn't reason to adopt a luddite attitude towards the technology, like so many have done, when instead we should encourage dialogue and exposure to the technology. It is here to stay, will only get better, and like most disruptive tech your better off approaching it with an open mind and reasonable regulations than trying to violently push back against it. |
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AQuin1904
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Honestly, I doubt think this will do anything unless copyright law is updated to force AI companies to pay for the copyrighted material they use as training data sets. Paid services like Novel AI can only do what they do because they're scraping massive repost databases that never had legal permission to distribute this artwork (including complete collections of assets scraped from retail products). Currently, the companies running these systems hide behind the loophole that they don't actually store copies of the datasets their algorithms study.
Machine learning probably has a future as tool going forward, but artists and other copyright holders still deserve compensation (and the right to grant or deny permission) for such use of their property. Regardless, sites that sell art probably should be putting regulations and screening in place for practical reasons. All other discussions aside, some people will absolutely attempt make a quick buck by generating a flood of low-effort image sets to sell for peanuts, and video game asset flips have shown us how quickly that sort of mass-produced content can harm a storefront's usability. Last edited by AQuin1904 on Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:35 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ChrissyC
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I agree with the first poster. As an artist myself, I believe we must adopt AI and even integrate it into the expression of our own work. We must not lean too heavily or we will become too reliant and never grow as individuals. I am, however, seeing that creativity and taste are still important traits regardless of whether something is made by a human or artificial intelligence. The policies that these distributors use are nothing more than bandages on a leaky dam. Artificial intelligence will only become more prevalent due to its sheer convenience, potential, and usefulness. Japanese companies tend to be very conservative, of course, they can easily reconsider when whole markets are based on AI. Nonetheless, I can respect their integrity regarding seniority and labor.
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Greed1914
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It's something that will mean that things like copyright protections have to be reevaluated. Creativity is a factor with that, and it gets hard to say if the AI is being creative with what it does or is mostly combining what it sees and producing output. I imagine AIs would get better about that going forward. Not to mention, I've seen plenty of people suggest that even original works draw influences from what the artist has seen before, but humans are currently much better at making it their own.
It's also tricky in terms of where it gets used. I've seen it come up as a hot topic among vtubers lately. Some have specifically said not to post it as a fan art because proper credit is too hard to determine. Others have dabbled in using it to help make their thumbnails on Youtube. I can see where a small youtuber with not much money to spend on commissioned works and too small an audience to have lots of unique fan art to use could see the appeal of it since reusing the same thumbnails isn't great for visibility on the platform. |
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Top Gun
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...except those factory machines are performing menial repetitive tasks that require no higher-level thought. To me, one of the main points of engaging with a piece of art is seeing the creative expression of another human being, their skill and emotional choices on display. What do I get out of an algorithm trawling through millions of images, identifying the various little bits that match certain criteria, and then jamming them together to match a prompt? Thanks, but no thanks. |
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Vaisaga
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As someone who's used AI Art, it's very hard to get exactly what you want. So I'd still rather commission a real person whom I can actively communicate with to get my desired product.
It is fun to play around with, but it is annoying seeing Pixiv flooded with AI stuff. They're all properly tagged but I think they should be posted in a single bulk post rather than be spread out individually. Too much to sift through as it is. And they all have a samey look to them. |
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ranran-001
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The problem I have with AI Art, is the same problem I had with the "artist" that claimed copyright over the monkey selfie picture.
That is, unless the artist has done enough of the leg work to produce the finished result, how can they say they made the work? |
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DerekL1963
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Having dabbled a little bit with Stable Diffusion... It's harder than you might think to create decent images. It's really hard to create good ones. (I have yet to create a great one, and as a photographer, I know the difference.) It's not a matter of simply typing in some prompts and letting the algorithm do the rest. It's an iterative process that the person at the keyboard is very much involved in. I give and grant there's quite likely to be copyright issues to be solved, but it's a mistake to believe that the algorithms are doing all the work and there's nothing of the person it. |
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L'Imperatore
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Imagine buying some cool pieces of art at Artist Alley, only to realize sometime later that those are AI-generated.
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meiam
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At the insane rate its improving, it seems like in just a few algorithm generation (ie a few years) it'll be indistinguishable or better than human art. I think it'll have two large impact.
1: Animator will leave in between and coloring to Ai and focus more on a few key frame and doing touch up of the Ai art. 2: People with interesting idea for story will make some entirely anime where the art side will be entirely made by Ai. Those will be of low quality, but will probably follow a similar trajectory of the web novel, getting cleaned up and eventually adopted by large scale studio. |
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Albion Hero
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Really depends on how much you value the "creativity" part of it. Like for a random Light Novel, where you're just gonna have a cover art and some pictures throughout, do you really think that AI isn't gonna be enough to get the job done in a few years? At the rate its increasing its gonna become close to "good enough" eventually at replicating human art, which is really all the industry will care about since they'll save money. Most people don't really care about the creativity side of it if you're producing something that looks good. |
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Electric Wooloo
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As someone who can't draw and has no real interest in drawing, I have no real opinion about AI art's "validity" or expression.
I DO however have an opinion on art feeds getting filled up with art that looks good as a thumbnail, but once you look a bit closer it's just... wrong. I've noticed more and more of my "art you may like" feeds on various sites, as well as the art of some people I already followed, getting more and more full with that kind of material and I'm starting to get pretty annoyed by it. It feels like a bait and switch when you think an image would make a nice background or is of a character you like and then realize they don't have a mouth or the proportions are off or the limbs bleed together. It feels reminiscent of those AI generated Youtube videos a few years back. |
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ximpalullaorg
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First of all, despite being called "AI", it's not. It's just a (very complex) model. Hence it cannot overcome its own limitations. Sure, it may produce unexpected results (in the good sense) but stil it's a model.
Also, to obtain good results (like someone else said in this very thread), you need a lot of time and effort. I tested it to create concepts I want to commission to an artist and well....to get something decent it took a week of efforts. Last but not least, there's need to rethink the whole legislation and discussion about copyright. A real discussion: trying to block scraping or asking generally for "refunds/royalties" isn't going to work. |
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