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azabaro
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:42 pm Reply with quote
One part of these estimated losses that may be of direct interest to anime fans - it sounds like Blu-ray isn't doing nearly as well as Sony had projected. According to the linked article some of their long-term investment in the format and their Blu-ray disc manufacturing business doesn't seem like it'll pay off, due to "demand for physical media contracting faster than anticipated," (per Sony).

I don't think this is saying that Blu-ray is necessarily doing poorly for content publishers, but that Sony had worked themselves into the position of being the format owner based on the idea of the medium doing better than it has.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:07 pm Reply with quote
azabaro wrote:
One part of these estimated losses that may be of direct interest to anime fans - it sounds like Blu-ray isn't doing nearly as well as Sony had projected. According to the linked article some of their long-term investment in the format and their Blu-ray disc manufacturing business doesn't seem like it'll pay off, due to "demand for physical media contracting faster than anticipated," (per Sony).

I don't think this is saying that Blu-ray is necessarily doing poorly for content publishers, but that Sony had worked themselves into the position of being the format owner based on the idea of the medium doing better than it has.


Yep, one one side the underestimated the rise of digital formats available for direct download at the apple store and similar and they overestimated the speed of adoption of blu-ray. I have no doubt in a couple more years blu-ray will be the dominant disc format (dvd will evaporate much like vhs did), but Sony needs that income NOW.
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That 2000s home vid bubble money's not ever going to come back soon, because there are too many crappy movies not worth even seeing in theaters. Plus, even when they are worth seeing, the actual experience is terrible, what with a-holes and their cell phones or tablets. And I have to be honest that fickle anime fans aren't helping. Just a few weeks ago, they were demanding that Discotek pick up the rest of CCS, and now they're backing down when NISA finally does it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 6:38 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
azabaro wrote:
One part of these estimated losses that may be of direct interest to anime fans - it sounds like Blu-ray isn't doing nearly as well as Sony had projected. According to the linked article some of their long-term investment in the format and their Blu-ray disc manufacturing business doesn't seem like it'll pay off, due to "demand for physical media contracting faster than anticipated," (per Sony).

I don't think this is saying that Blu-ray is necessarily doing poorly for content publishers, but that Sony had worked themselves into the position of being the format owner based on the idea of the medium doing better than it has.



Yep, one one side the underestimated the rise of digital formats available for direct download at the apple store and similar and they overestimated the speed of adoption of blu-ray. I have no doubt in a couple more years blu-ray will be the dominant disc format (dvd will evaporate much like vhs did), but Sony needs that income NOW.


It is doing dismally.

Also, where are getting this idea that Blu-Ray is going to become the dominate disc format? The BD market is very sluggish.

Also, couple the fact that in less than 2 years NEWER superior disc formats will be available and will be much cheaper in production value.


But let's not overcompensate here, Sony is a sinking ship. They continue to bleed money and have been taking in quarterly losses year after year,after year since 2007. Not to mention the fact that all the $30 billion capital they had during PS2 is gone. They can't take another year of quarterly losses.

The only profitable divisions are SCEI and Columbia Pictures. But both of those are only pulling in minimal revenue FAR less than what was bring them a decade earlier. PS4 is barely breaking even(selling abysmally in Japan),Vita continues to sell poorly worldwide,PS3 is profitable, but it has a rather LARGE 15 billion dollar donut hole. You can't magically make $15 billion go away. It takes years.


Sony continues to show signs of on the tipping point of collapse and the talking points by its out-of-touch Playstation fanboys who are convinced that selling off their Electronics division and making SCEI they're core market will somehow make things all better, when that would pretty much sink the whole company, is laughably absurd and retarded.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 6:39 pm Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
That 2000s home vid bubble money's not ever going to come back soon, because there are too many crappy movies not worth even seeing in theaters. Plus, even when they are worth seeing, the actual experience is terrible, what with a-holes and their cell phones or tablets. And I have to be honest that fickle anime fans aren't helping. Just a few weeks ago, they were demanding that Discotek pick up the rest of CCS, and now they're backing down when NISA finally does it.


That and the home video market NEEDs new formats fast.
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GrilledEel: They should've listened to Daniel Loeb about restructuring their company, but they're too set in their ways in general, which is why they kept supporting that failed Mini-Disc for so long.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:03 pm Reply with quote
GrilledEelHamatsu wrote:
It is doing dismally.

Also, where are getting this idea that Blu-Ray is going to become the dominate disc format? The BD market is very sluggish.


Sluggish only if you are in a hurry, remember how it took over a decade for DVD to overtake VHS and back then it was only a change of format (tape to disc), Blu-ray is a change of disc format (DVD to BD) and a change of video format (SD to HD) where you also need to buy a new screen to really see the difference. Even with that handicap bluray is moving along faster than DVD, but still slower than what Sony needs.

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Also, couple the fact that in less than 2 years NEWER superior disc formats will be available and will be much cheaper in production value.


Let's say for a moment the prior statement is 100% true. That does not change the fact that people are not going to dish their blu-ray disc AND hdtv for 4k equipments because you would need a 60" screen to really see the difference (since the pixels are too tiny in smaller screens to see the difference). Of course tv makers will try to convince us otherwise because *surprise* since everybody already got a hdtv, people are no longer buying them in droves.

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The only profitable divisions are SCEI and Columbia Pictures. But both of those are only pulling in minimal revenue FAR less than what was bring them a decade earlier. PS4 is barely breaking even(selling abysmally in Japan),


AFAIK ATM Sony is loosing money with every ps4 unit sold, so in the short term they will lose money on said market no matter what.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:11 pm Reply with quote
GrilledEelHamatsu wrote:
PS3 is profitable, but it has a rather LARGE 15 billion dollar donut hole. You can't magically make $15 billion go away. It takes years.


This number was $13 billion last time you told us all about how Sony is going to go bankrupt in the next 2 years.

But this is Golden Week, so next week we can expect SEGA to finally reveal their new Sony-killing home console and Nintendo-killing handheld and then also reveal their new arcade hardware SEGA NextWave Orbix III which the SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA
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Zac: Something tells me they should've kept those E.T. games buried, 'cus now the curse of the crash is returning. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:20 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:

This number was $13 billion last time you told us all about how Sony is going to go bankrupt in the next 2 years.

But this is Golden Week, so next week we can expect SEGA to finally reveal their new Sony-killing home console and Nintendo-killing handheld and then also reveal their new arcade hardware SEGA NextWave Orbix III which the SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA


You got it wrong. SEGA is gonna buy out Sony and rename the PS4 to the SEGA Dreamcast 2.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:35 pm Reply with quote
Barbobot wrote:
Zac wrote:

This number was $13 billion last time you told us all about how Sony is going to go bankrupt in the next 2 years.

But this is Golden Week, so next week we can expect SEGA to finally reveal their new Sony-killing home console and Nintendo-killing handheld and then also reveal their new arcade hardware SEGA NextWave Orbix III which the SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA


You got it wrong. SEGA is gonna buy out Sony and rename the PS4 to the SEGA Dreamcast 2.


I always thought the original xbox was the dream-cast 2. I mean considering the amount cancelled games that where originally planned for the dreamcast that were moved to the xbox is kinda funny.
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Jet Set Radio Future
Shenmue 2 " Western Release Only"
House of The Dead III
Max Payne
ToeJam and Earl III
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:38 pm Reply with quote
And the Vita to the Nomad 2!
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:46 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
... SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA


No, you got it all wrong, it is ATARI than will return to the ashes to rule with a fist of steel, mwahahaha Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:48 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
... SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA SEGA


No, you got it all wrong, it is ATARI than will return to the ashes to rule with a fist of steel, mwahahaha Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:53 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:

AFAIK ATM Sony is loosing money with every ps4 unit sold, so in the short term they will lose money on said market no matter what.


They will more than likely make up for it when they become the lead development platform for this console generation. It's still too early to call, but they have a substantial sales lead over the Xbone and the WiiU.
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