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DKL
 Posts: 1956 Location: California, USA |
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It did really happen... but Kon just tries to trick you into thinking that everything was a movie (but it wasn't... uhh... yeah, you get the idea); from what I remember, Mima still hadn't really removed herself from confusion at this point in the movie, which is why reality seemed kinda weird. But yeah... it really happened... OH... And I loved that trailer; was the best thing since melon bread. |
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musashi1600
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Of course, the line "From the people behind the comedy classic Grave of the Fireflies!" is merely icing on the cake. 
You mean Un Chien Andalou? I have no idea what that film was about either. 
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abunai
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Oh, come on. It was by Salvador Dali and Luis Buñuel. It might as well have a guarantee sticker on the side: "100% surrealistic material inside -- no sense, or your money back!" As for Eraserhead, I've always considered that Lynch's weakest film. Not because of the surrealism, but because it does a poor job of doing what surrealism is supposed to do. And hey, since it seems that "what surrealism is supposed to do" isn't as common knowledge as it ought to be, perhaps I should clarify: The purpose (if such a thing can be said to exist) of surrealism is to engender in the audience a sense of disjunctedness with reality -- to cause the audience to lose part or all of their grasp on reality, and thereby cause them to see the world in a different and hopefully enlightening way. It's the artistic equivalent of holding people down and stuffing LSD in them. Gotta love that. - abunai |
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d.yaro
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Okay... So it was "Un Chien Andalou" eh?
Certainly do. 
Okay. So I came across as being a touch more vitriolic than I should have. Sorry... Nonetheless the shot in question does give me the creeps. Actually, I can't say I've ever watched a film that has been categorized as surrealist. I don't think "Tales from the Gimli Hospital" qualifies and that's the one of the more odd things I've ever watched. Anyways, it's somewhat immaterial since I can only assume the person who started this thread would never come close to watching any of the movies which got dragged into the discussion. |
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Alestal
 Posts: 605 Location: Dallas, Texas |
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I finially watched Perfect Blue, spoiler[
The thing I love about Satoshi Kon is that he molds realitys, your past, present, future, dreams, delusion, are all things your mind has memories of. He tells his stories through these realitys, because in your mind all your experiences are collected,simular experiences intertwine and its hard to distinguish the truth from what your convinced is the truth. This movie is a subtle masterpiece, and we as anime fans understand alternate realities better then anyone. Why else do we watch anime but to escape our own realitys? In Perfect Blue, Rumi was living her dream through Mima's experiences. The turning point was the intense fake rape scene,Mima and Rumi minds split into different personalities to deal with it, Mima eventually learned to face the choices she made, but Rumi continued with the self-denial sinking herself into the old pop idol mindset and not abondoning her dream. Mima was sympathetic to Rumi because she was going through much the same experience. Only when Mima raised the courage to face her own choices thats when the "fake" Mima really dissapeared. Who hasn't had a dream that they swore they couldn't distinguish with reality? Dreams are born to esape realities, to be happy, the theme of facing your reality so your dreams don't come in the way of real happiness and to not let yourself sink too far in, is evident. You can't let your dreams spill over into your reality, if you don't seperate them you'll lose your mind too. I do believe that some anime fans really do become obsessed to the point where they go a little crazy, and when people mock them for it they go deeper into their worlds to escape them. Animated dating games are a perfect example of this.] I rambled, but this film is so thought provoking that its hard not too. |
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TheVok
Posts: 613 Location: North York, Ontario, Canada |
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Interestingly, it was rated PG here in Canada. |
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RangFlash
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I'm assuming the "rape" scene was taken out then. |
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TheVok
Posts: 613 Location: North York, Ontario, Canada |
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No, not at all. |
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sanosuke32
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Canada always rates their stuff lower than the US. Secondly, Paprika had a few hentai scenes, not like Perfect Blue, but more or less pointless scenes of them naked.
Perfect Blue on the other hand was a good movie, but a little disappointing. I mean, I've heard soooo many good things bout this movie and hows its a masterpiece and is amazing, but I was a little disappointed. Too much damn hentai for one, I agree about the rape scene and photoshoots, honestly, I don't think they HAD to show it, just imply it is fine with me. I know theres people who think we have violence, why not nudity, well hentai is looked down upon by many many people, and its not exactly the same thing as violence. With less/no hentai, and more fucked up scenes, this movie could've been the masterpiece everyone talked about. I didn't really spoiler[ like Rumi being the other Mima at the end, just seemed kinda dumb, I know it wasn't always Ruma, it was also Mima's conscience and she knows she has gone against her own morals which is cool, but some fat chick chasing her around was not cool ] I can see where you would like this movie, but i can also see where u'd hate this movie. |
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rinmackie
 Posts: 1040 Location: in a van! down by the river! |
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I liked Perfect Blue and I think it's one of Satoshi Kon's best films. As for the violence and nudity; I was not offended nor did I think it was unnecessary or over-the-top. It fit perfectly well within the context of the movie and I would not call it fanservice or hentai. And yes, I am an American! To the previous poster, just because lots of people disapprove of hentai doesn't mean it should be kept out of anime, unless it's aimed at children, of course. Plus, I would not consider Perfect Blue hentai; an R-rated movie, yes; porn, no. It's purpose was not titillation but a necessary part of the story.
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sanosuke32
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like I said, it kept the story going. There would not have been a story if not for everything that happened, true. But I said that they didn't have to show it, they could've implied it and used the time to show more of "ghost" Mima.
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TheVok
Posts: 613 Location: North York, Ontario, Canada |
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*sigh* Nudity does not equal hentai. Nudity is not even necessarily sexuality. Indeed, in 'Paprika' it never is. And it's certainly never 'pointless' either, given the movie's extensive use of metaphors and symbolism. I see no problem in older children watching 'Paprika.' The storyline handles sexuality coyly at best, certainly never explicitly. |
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sanosuke32
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Well ya, thats what I'm saying. Paprika is not as bad as Perfect Blue in terms of nudity, not by a long shot. I think all older kids should watch Paprika, it'll inspire them in their everyday lives 
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sailornyanko
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Haha, people remember Perfect Blue because of the rape scene and because that creepy fanatic dude is one of the fugliest characters in an anime EVER.
I personally found the rape scene in Ninja Resurrection to be far more disturbing. Hrmm... I saw this movie on bootlegged VCD (ah! those were the days weren't they when bootlegged dvd's weren't dirt cheap) when a university friend borrowed it for a few days. I liked the film, but it wasn't overly memorable either. I loved and adored Millenium Actress, a very sad film, but the movie can be seen by people of any age. The soundtrack is awesome. I usually listen to it when I travel to my university. I enjoyed Tokyo Godfathers even though Millenium is better in my books. However, it is indeed highly rare to see a semi serious anime that has an openly homosexual transvestite as a lead character (I'm referring to Tokyo Godfathers here BTW). The movie is also unusual in that it deals with an overweight Japanese teenager girl and her emotional problems because of it (blowing the myth that everyone in Japan is naturally stick thin). I'm personally excited to see Paprika now that it's been dubbed to spanish. Just waiting for the dvd to be available at my local Blockbusters. |
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Alestal
Posts: 605 Location: Dallas, Texas |
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spoiler[Thats true, at least the woman in paprika knows how to trim the hedges.]
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