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NEWS: Uncertain State of the Anime Industry Profiled

rg4619 wrote:

While this is often correct, it does vary from show to show. In some cases, the animation studio (or even small groups of creative staff, who've formed their own company) is a member of the production committee, which means that it shares copyrights with partner sponsors.

I'm just going to post this again with the little debate you 2 are having, who can say if a portion of staff are part of the holding company that is Macross F Production Committee that the studio or creator doesn't have a stake in that company.,

Sorry, but you are really just wrong about this.
The rights, both intellectual and copyrights, for Macross F in Japan are controlled by

Big West
Macross F Production Committee
MBS

with the main one being the "Macross F Production Committee". This is, like most anime, a fake holding company for all the interests that fronted the money for production. Satellite does NOT have any intellectual property rights to Macross F, nor does its founder.

Basically the music rights are held by Big West, the broadcast rights by MBS, and the rights to everything else, intellectual property rights, copyrights, DVD/Blu-ray distribution rights, are all controlled by the "Macross F Production Committee", which is exactly as I stated, a collection of sponsers.

I think comparing petty shoplifting to downloading intellectual property isn't a good comparison, even more so when it's a food product. Here's a big reason why people continue to download even with threats of lawsuit or internet being shut off: because you don't see immediate reaction against it. If I try to steal a DVD from a store, I have a high chance of getting caught. It might not mean prosecution, but the store might ban me. Downloading a movie means maybe someone's looking at IP addresses, but there's no feasible way to track-down and prosecute everyone. The more realistic solution they take is to bitch to the ISP to give up personal information, but the ISP obviously don't want to sell out a customer (unless they Comcast). Anime companies don't have the money to do lawsuit battles, so the most they can do is ask fansubbers to take down their files, which is probably the better route in the end to not produce backlash. Yes you can argue the people who download have no reason to complain since they were stealing in the first place, but that's not a real world thought.

samuelp wrote:

Sorry, but you are really just wrong about this. The rights, both intellectual and copyrights, for Macross F in Japan are controlled by Big West Macross F Production Committee MBS with the main one being the "Macross F Production Committee". This is, like most anime, a fake holding company for all the interests that fronted the money for production. Satellite does NOT have any intellectual property rights to Macross F, nor does its founder. Basically the music rights are held by Big West, the broadcast rights by MBS, and the rights to everything else, intellectual property rights, copyrights, DVD/Blu-ray distribution rights, are all controlled by the "Macross F Production Committee", which is exactly as I stated, a collection of sponsers.

And do you know just who are the Macross F Production Committee, aka the original creators of Macross F? Here's a hint. Also, copyrights is the law that grants the original creators' their rights on their intellectual property ownership. Whereas release and distribution of copyrighted intellectual property is a matter of licensing agreement. Get it right.

Actually according to JApanese wikipedia the Macross F Production committee is a fake name for Bandai Visual: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マクロスF

The original work creator is not generally a part of the production committee, the rights to create a product based on their work are licensed by the production committee.

literally cut out the middlemen who have been lining their pockets at the cost of the artists who actually deserve the the profits companies like funimation and ADV ...etc... who buy up the licenses and pretty much leave the artists in the dust if the anime does sell big are doing the industry far more harm by making it so unprofitable to be an animator people are leaving the industry the very people who create their profit which is why I personally wouldn't care if they ended up getting cut right out of the loop by the animators.

So you're blaming the R1 distributors for the low wages of Japanese animators. That doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense. The R1 distributors do not control the animators wages the Japanese anime production studios do. Is this really the lengths some people will go to villify R1 distibutors?

Fansubs are A problem. Can't really argue with that. How do we solve this problem? The answer HAS to be going after the actual people who DO THE SUBBING!!! Seriously. It cannot be that hard to find out who these folks are. And while they are possibly poor 40 year olds living in their parents' basements, lawsuits would send a strong message, and maybe help to stop this problem

Dante80 wrote:

I am a fansubber, I watch fansubs, I pay for maintaining an anime community and I support the industry (mainly the R1 industry, while I live in a region I cannot legally play their products). Why does one exclude the other?

Good for you, you buy what you steal, which helps but the problem is can you say that for everyone that watches your fansub that you made? AS once you send it out, it will be copied and spread out. So it's not showing it to your friends or even getting anime out to the people. We now have access to a wide variety of anime within the NA market, with plenty of people willing to advocate for it and show it to their friends and family with their DVD purchases or legal streaming sites. So there are ways to get people interested in anime beyond fansubs.

Because temper tantrums like those won't held in a court of law, and only ignorant, immature, and shallow individuals have the mentality to even trust in those delusions. This is the truth from yours truly, who used to be an ex-VHS fansubber 13 years ago, and respected the legal R1 anime licensing industry to stop fansubbing completely. Unlike you, who are abusing fansubs by using the internet to conduct intellectual property theft, all for your own selfish instant self-gratification.

I'm sorry sir, I do not feed trolls. I will tell you this though. You cannot see further then your own nose. Your posts in this and other threads just proved that to me. Do not bother answering.

Yes, Dom, you are so eloquent compared to the intelligent, informed and reasonable responses to your so inane, unfounded, unsupported insulting rants. It's late, you're so irritating, and I don't care if I get banned for insulting you. You have done far worse, and don't have any brains behind it. Perhaps that's why you get a pass. You can't be expected to know any better. The "nose" quote fits just too perfectly. Like an old, comfortable pair of glasses that have long since cracked and fogged, so that all you see are your own delusions.

Okok, lets not get this locked though guys.

babbo wrote:

Prove it. I've only seen increasing shelf space in most stores. And stop trying to use dvd sales in an discussion on print media. They're far too different.

Okay your specific question was "Would business care if a product doesn't sell?" Already manga sales are down, continued drops will mean they will not continue carrying as much in store as they used to. This is the same regardless of what the product actually is, I refer to anime DVDs because 1) they are an entertainment medium, like manga and 2) manga and anime do have a closer relationship then say most books versus television series.

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PDF? At least take a peek at the thing you are demonizing. Scanslations are a) rarely anywhere near the quality that you see in an official release, and b) are even more rarely (I've never seen one to date) in pdf format. Name me one title.

Well first I would direct you to here for this fine video play list watch all of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV0b8bEaT4I

As to PDF downloads, you must not even been doing a basic search on google if you can't find them, they are moving onto just doing scanlations of Japanese titles but also the "American created manga" is also being scanlated to and released for free, with slightly different English, in a PDF format.

Would it be too much to ask of you to use proper English grammar, thereby not having your post being a big run-on sentence that's meaningless and hard to read? English was not my first language, but I'm still making the effort to have people understanding me.
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babbo wrote:

Isn't that besides the point? People are seeing the same product for free.

WRONG! Fansub/scanslation community are stealing intellectual properties from the anime/manga industry. When it actually took money to make & license those copyrighted intellectual properties in the first place. Not for illegal fansubs/scanslations, and therefore not "free."

funny how the lion share of posts are about how fansubs kill sales while ignoring the very clear message that the industry has been screwing the workhorses who do the majority of the animating.

the industry is complaining they are not making the billions of yen they did in 2006 yet even in 2006 the animators were being screwed during the biggest profit periods.

yes DVD sales will continue to dwindle in NA because the format is outdated they need to make the money from the anime right at launch that means getting it out fast and either using the crunchyroll format or having advertisers on dedicated streaming sites because the fans wont wait for months and sometimes years for an anime to be released on DVD's not like the japanese companies can't create their own streaming sites.

literally cut out the middlemen who have been lining their pockets at the cost of the artists who actually deserve the the profits companies like funimation and ADV ...etc... who buy up the licenses and pretty much leave the artists in the dust if the anime does sell big are doing the industry far more harm by making it so unprofitable to be an animator people are leaving the industry the very people who create their profit which is why I personally wouldn't care if they ended up getting cut right out of the loop by the animators.

dragoneyes001 wrote:

literally cut out the middlemen who have been lining their pockets at the cost of the artists who actually deserve the the profits companies like funimation and ADV ...etc... who buy up the licenses and pretty much leave the artists in the dust if the anime does sell big are doing the industry far more harm by making it so unprofitable to be an animator people are leaving the industry the very people who create their profit which is why I personally wouldn't care if they ended up getting cut right out of the loop by the animators.

So you're blaming the R1 distributors for the low wages of Japanese animators. That doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense. The R1 distributors do not control the animators wages the Japanese anime production studios do. Is this really the lengths some people will go to villify R1 distibutors?