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NEWS: Downloaded Sora no Otoshimono Copy Shown at Funimation Studio

Anyhoo, the film and music industry tried to make the same claim... that piracy was responsible for their lagging sales. Of course, that claim has repeatedly been proven false, but that doesn't stop them from using the same old song and dance. Funimation is playing the same game, using fansubbers as a scapegoat to cover their own asses. But tell me, if the situation is really so dire, how is Crunchyroll doing so well? Possibly because they're offering a superior product (HD streaming) as compared to Funimation's undeniably substandard streaming efforts?

Nobody cares that Funi is using HorribleSubs rips. What we DO care about is their constant whining about how piracy is "killing the industry." We know that's a lie, Funi. Stop making excuses and adapt your business model to a post-piracy environment like Crunchyroll did. The only way to beat the fansubbers is to offer a better product than them.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I say ANN is a joke. Posting here gets you trapped between the mods and their sycophants.

If anyone is interested in some case law you should check out Anderson v. Stallone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_v._Stallone)

Sylvester Stallone was basically able to take a script some guy had written for Rocky 4 and use it to make the movie, since Stallone hadn't authorized him to write it. Fun stuff

Edit: And reading Tempest's post in the other thread, I'm guessing my original question has been answered. And that CR does license its offerings now.

And this is why ANN is a joke. The staff (including the CEO himself) are quick to rush to Funimation's defense when this kind of hypocrisy comes to light. You continually condemn the fansubbers as self-absorbed, immature adolescents who pirate "for the lulz." You don't even make the slightest attempt to understand fansubber culture, instead painting them with broad, stereotypical strokes that help you maintain your veneer of self-important superiority. And why does ANN take such a black-and-white moralistic approach, always supporting Funimation and demonizing the fansubbers? Well, guess who pays for the advertising on this site...

You claim to be "the internet's most trusted anime news source." The sheer unprovability of that claim aside, I'm reminded of another news network that claims to be "fair and balanced."

Pretty late for a reply to this quote as I'm in agreement with, I find it fascinating seeing some anime topics of titles that are not in the states nor released either by streaming readily available to talk about on ANN. I'm sure 99% of those admittedly talking about Madoka watched it by "legal means" lolz.

Demonizing the fansubbers what happened to that! And Zac's post was all too FUNi, good for some laughs and pointed out hypocrisy, good times.

Gamen wrote:

Edit: And reading Tempest's post in the other thread, I'm guessing my original question has been answered. And that CR does license its offerings now.

From my point of view it's not the fact that CR is licensing any translation since the IP of the translation belong to the animation studio/production committee etctera. Translation would just be a job for hire but rights to own and distribute those translation are not with CR.

Well if Funi didn't sit on there show for a year or 2 maybe it wouldnt be a problem

The only thing that I find especially strange about this whole thing is that they were using subtitled videos in dubbing. How is that not annoying for the actors? And I'm not talking about the subs being on the screen since they can be turned off, I'm talking about having to wait until they put the line back up during each retake. It'd be easier to either look down at the physical script or look over to the other monitor.

Funi is not hypocritical. It clearly says in the article that they sometimes use fansubs if there is a delay with getting the legal means. They have the right to license the show in this Region so they are doing nothing wrong at ALL.

Second, as I said before Zac (not trying to put words in his mouth) was referring to people who use fansubs despite the fact that there is a legal option for them. We all understand that some people don't have a choice if there is no legal option and that is fine because of their situation.

Clearly some people can't change their mind even with the facts right in front of them so I think for the most part I am done with this conversation. I don't need anymore stress, don't want my problem to start again.

Funi is not hypocritical. It clearly says in the article that they sometimes use fansubs if there is a delay with getting the legal means. They have the right to license the show in this Region so they are doing nothing wrong at ALL.

Second, as I said before Zac (not trying to put words in his mouth) was referring to people who use fansubs despite the fact that there is a legal option for them. We all understand that some people don't have a choice if there is no legal option and that is fine because of their situation.

Clearly some people can't change their mind even with the facts right in front of them.

And you're probably completely incorrect. Unless CR is licensing the translation from a third-party, or the production committee is commissioning the translation from CR, instead of CR commissioning it or doing them in-house, they are the copyright owners of the translated script. The terms of the license agreement between CR and the committee would dictate how CR could distribute the translation, and likely gives the committee rights to both use and redistribute the translation, but CR would still be its copyright holder.

Edit: I'll grant that if the terms of the license are particularly unfair towards CR they'd effectively not be the copyright holder.

Illegal and hypocritical are not the same thing. Example:

Horriblesubs ripping video from Crunchyroll is ILLEGAL.
Funimation suing 1337 people for downloading fansubs, then downloading fansubs themselves is HYPOCRITICAL.

Ironic, considering the staff of ANN themselves watches fansubs for their season preview guides. Is that illegal, hypocritical or both?

asimpson2006 wrote:

Clearly some people can't change their mind even with the facts right in front of them so I think for the most part I am done with this conversation.

You said it, not me.

My MKV player doesn't always pick up the subs right away.

asimpson2006 wrote:

My MKV player doesn't always pick up the subs right away.

May I suggest the CCCP codec package with Media Player Classic? That usually solves most fansub playback issues.

I can't install it on that. It has no problems with AVI files, so I might just spend the time converting the MKV files to AVI.