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Hey, Answerman! [2006-07-28]

Yes, I just registered today but what I will tell you guys I don't want anybody to know about(when I checked my email(which I hardly ever do) to activate registration, the bulk folder had 666 messages....I think I'm going to hell)

This is me; not all loliconers, not all pedophiles, just me.

I've had (note the past tense please) CP in my computer before. I knew it was wrong, and I don't know why I wanted to watch this stuff. I just did. Then, about a year later (about two years ago), I discovered lolicon. All of the CP was deleted. Does this make me a better person? No. Is there a difference between lolicon and CP? That's up to the individual to decide. I KNOW I have problems but I can't afford to fix them right now. Lolicon is sick, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise, but I prefer it over CP, where someone actually got hurt. You know what happens to drug addicts when they don't get their drugs: they'll do whatever it takes to get what they want. If I don't have my fill, I just might, too. That isn't to say I need it everyday or even every week, but occasionally, I do. What about real children? I walked by a cute little girl in her father's arms the other day and I got pissed. Pissed at what I was and pissed at what I am. But I don't need to touch a little girl to feel pleasure, I got my lolicon right here (that isn't to say I don't have regular(by regular I mean adult) pr0n cause I do, real and animated).

To all of my fellow loliconers: get help.

To sum up: lolicon bad, CP worse (in my opinion. I know many of you equate the two), therapy later(before it's too late).

By the way, Zac's right, get shows about little girls aimed towards adult men(like Ichigo Mashimaro(which I loved btw, but will not buy the DVDs cause this stuff needs to stay in Japan)) out of...well, America. I'm talking to you, American anime companies. Let's not drag anime down further than it already is in the minds of the MANY uninformed. Violence and sex we(as anime fans) can handle, but not the sexualization of children. What Japanese anime companies do is Japan's problem.

Now, bring it on!!! Or not, whatever. I think this* thread has gone on long enough.

*edit: I proofread this 10 times, how the hell did I miss "this."

"ZOMGZ, I am better than you at everything including arts and crafts, playing the guitar, and high moral ground. I am a tool."

And you just helped people associate the two.

You already had a disposed nature towards CP, but there's no evidence to support the claim it goes the other way. I will still defend my position people who watch lolicon only are intrinsically disposed to progress towards real CP.

Perhaps I will wait a few days and start a logical debate on it or something, that way people can actually discuss this like rational people rather than having 33 pages of spamming: "ZOMGZ, I am better than you at everything including arts and crafts, playing the guitar, and high moral ground. I am a tool."

This post makes me want to bang my head against my keyboard. You begin by saying you only represent yourself and then you tell everyone else who may not/probably don't have the same past experiences or current problems you face to seek therapy for being people with a seemingly lethal interest. I don't equate lolicon and child porn at all, because I know a nude picture of Misty/Kasumi from Pokemon is not a picture of a real person, does not make me want to touch a real person, and does not want to find a park full of little girls and "catch 'em all." Child porn is pretty disgusting, and I really find most children repulsive and irritating.

I made a mistake and later edited to say that people are not necessarily going to progress from lolicon to real child pornogrpahy. You already have a mental inclination to like children. The arguement I am trying to make is that lolicon will not convert you to a real pedo. I think real CP is wrong and you may really need psychological help, but the average lolicon viewer is not likely to be in your same position.

You know, is this lolicon rant somehow my fault? I get the feeling that it is since I was the one who brought up that quote the other day... hmmm.... my bad? I just thought it was funny...

For the record, that fansub group that wrote that quote seems to have very clear goals in mind when choosing anime to sub: if it doesn't have lesbians, grotesque violence by young girls, or just out right loli implications, they leave it to someone else. (Yet another thing which I found hilarious, they really only do one other show that comes to mind besides those three categories)

I would.

A pedophile is someone who is sexually atracted to children. They're pedophiles even if they've never done anything. All those people who are attracted to children but know better than to act on the attraction, they're pedophiles.

But none of them have done anything wrong, and therefore, I would argue, that they shouldn't go to jail.

I doubt there are very many people alive today who can claim to have never been attracted to some wrong and/or illegal thing. But as long as they don't act (for whatever reason), they shouldn't be punished.

-t

What about incitement to violence, incitement to commit criminal acts, libel, slander, and hate speach?

TOTAL free speech would permit all of the above.

Libertarian doctrine is, in short, the belief that anything that anything that brings no harm to another should be unrestricted. While some extremeist take this to mean "direct physical harm to oneself or one's property" most libertarians, including the Libertarian Party of the United States, feel that "soft harm" is no different than physical damage. So if, by expressing myself, I am going to bring harm to another, I should not be allowed to express myself in such a way.

I believe very strongly in freedom of expression, but I very strongly believe that any person who publicly says "All [insert race here] are [insert adjective here] and should be [insert punishment here]" (ie: "All arabs are terrorists and deserve to be deported" or "All blacks are inferior and deserve to be slaves" deserves to be muzzled and/or punished.

That says nothing. How would we know the person is a "pedophile" with the exception of their own admission, which would unreliable (and irrelevant) at best? Modern pedophiles are defined through action, for which stern and swift punishment need be administered.

Fantasising about odd erotic situations is deemed "typical" and "natural" among all humans (male and female), but we do not label the "average Joe/Jane" pedophiles, do we? They need do something extraordinary to convey the physical message that they are predators of children. Simply saying, "oh, they're attracted to children" does not cover the full scope of argument.

Kilgamayan wrote:

I highly doubt that anyone with half a brain would see lolicon and pigeonhole the entire cartoon industry as a result.

Unfortunately I still get e-mails from professional journalists who want to ask me about "anime, you know those violent and pornographic cartoons."

If you're right that no one with half a brain would "see lolicon and pigeonhole the entire cartoon industry as a result" I must unfortunately conclude that a lot of very vocal people have less than half a brain.

-t

Child molestors are pedophiles, but pedophiles aren't necessarily child molestors. Get pedophiles help, but don't lock them up if they haven't done anything.

Not all child molestors are pedophiles, as I have exemplified earlier in the thread.