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hikura



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:12 pm Reply with quote
That is dedication. But how can a person get lost with a good GPS device? One should also travel with printed directions. I use a GPS device that use glonass and American GPS signals and never got lost.
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kiminobokuwa



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:26 pm Reply with quote
Now THAT is dedication!! Honestly, I would have given up by mile 1 but he just kept going!! Good for him!! I would have gotten him something at Comiket since he missed the first day if I was there!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:01 pm Reply with quote
hikura wrote:
That is dedication. But how can a person get lost with a good GPS device? One should also travel with printed directions. I use a GPS device that use glonass and American GPS signals and never got lost.


Well, the short answer is that GPS devices don't work that well with Japan, and the long answer...

Japan has one of the most convoluted roads and streets on planet earth among the developed nations, most often than not, not even locals know how to move around their town safe for the routes they usually take. The usual lookout for different routes in many shows and anime that involve modern settings also comes from this, they actually need to know various routes, otherwise if there's some sort of obstacle, be it an accident, a roadblock, or someone moving in and blocking the street, it isn't as simple as going around the block, one would usually get lost.

In that sense, GPS navigation systems such as google maps or Apple's maps, though in theory they shouldn't have a hard time, due to the incredibly complex road system in Japan, they are often wrong or not precise enough to differentiate two (or more) streets. And speaking of which, not all streets are named and/or numbered, most are nameless and are just part of some obscure area that isn't always a square on the map.
I'm pretty sure Google Maps and Apple's Maps would be able to guide one around Tokyo pretty well, alas, I don't think that works very well for less known locations... for example, I made a trip to Japan around 3 years ago, and while I was in Kyoto, I was asked to visit a local shop and get something... well, even by using both google and apple's maps apps I was completely and utterly lost, and I can read and speak Japanese quite well, reading signs is not an issue at all, but there I was, lost in some random neighborhood. The solution was quite simple though: search for the closest police box and ask for directions. The Japanese have to do so, even the mail delivery guys often ask policemen for directions... and printed directions? Take a look at all those series when a character draws a "map" with random elements like vending machines and shrines to know you're in the right place, well, those are actually useful, no map will help you in Japan, really...

I swear, once you get to know the "normal" Japan, many of those novels, anime and movies about getting lost and/or spirited away in some strange town with streets that repeat themselves for eternity don't seem to be fiction at all, it actually feels like the authors really got lost and told their tale...
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TsukasaElkKite



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:39 pm Reply with quote
Now THAT is what I call DEDICATION!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:40 pm Reply with quote
I somewhat surprised to the lack of any reference to Yowamushi Pedal.
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Gotta stay fit somehow, especially if your hobby involves little to no physical exercise...
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SWAnimefan



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:09 am Reply with quote
Wonder if they will make a show about his little trip?
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Kruszer



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:50 pm Reply with quote
That's all well and good, but now after he's all tired from doing that he's gotta walk around for 3 days afterward and then make the trip back. I hope he's got enough money left over for a bottle of Aspirin.
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nargun



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:23 pm Reply with quote
hikura wrote:
That is dedication. But how can a person get lost with a good GPS device? One should also travel with printed directions. I use a GPS device that use glonass and American GPS signals and never got lost.


The GPS tells you where you are. The other half of navigation is, "right, so I'm here, where do I go next"; this is hard, in japan.

[the core of japan's road network was designed for foot traffic, because carts were uncommon under the bakufu. And because in meiji they built mostly railways, the road network wasn't significantly upgraded until after the war, and when it was they mostly built limited-access highways you can't cycle on. So you'd be cycling on road alignments that are, like, five or six hundred years old.]
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hikura



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:34 pm Reply with quote
chronos02 wrote:
hikura wrote:
That is dedication. But how can a person get lost with a good GPS device? One should also travel with printed directions. I use a GPS device that use glonass and American GPS signals and never got lost.


Well, the short answer is that GPS devices don't work that well with Japan, and the long answer...

Japan has one of the most convoluted roads and streets on planet earth among the developed nations, most often than not, not even locals know how to move around their town safe for the routes they usually take. The usual lookout for different routes in many shows and anime that involve modern settings also comes from this, they actually need to know various routes, otherwise if there's some sort of obstacle, be it an accident, a roadblock, or someone moving in and blocking the street, it isn't as simple as going around the block, one would usually get lost.

In that sense, GPS navigation systems such as google maps or Apple's maps, though in theory they shouldn't have a hard time, due to the incredibly complex road system in Japan, they are often wrong or not precise enough to differentiate two (or more) streets. And speaking of which, not all streets are named and/or numbered, most are nameless and are just part of some obscure area that isn't always a square on the map.
I'm pretty sure Google Maps and Apple's Maps would be able to guide one around Tokyo pretty well, alas, I don't think that works very well for less known locations... for example, I made a trip to Japan around 3 years ago, and while I was in Kyoto, I was asked to visit a local shop and get something... well, even by using both google and apple's maps apps I was completely and utterly lost, and I can read and speak Japanese quite well, reading signs is not an issue at all, but there I was, lost in some random neighborhood. The solution was quite simple though: search for the closest police box and ask for directions. The Japanese have to do so, even the mail delivery guys often ask policemen for directions... and printed directions? Take a look at all those series when a character draws a "map" with random elements like vending machines and shrines to know you're in the right place, well, those are actually useful, no map will help you in Japan, really...

I swear, once you get to know the "normal" Japan, many of those novels, anime and movies about getting lost and/or spirited away in some strange town with streets that repeat themselves for eternity don't seem to be fiction at all, it actually feels like the authors really got lost and told their tale...

Did not realize the roads over in japan were that way.Thank you for explaining it that way.
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hikura



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:38 pm Reply with quote
nargun wrote:
hikura wrote:
That is dedication. But how can a person get lost with a good GPS device? One should also travel with printed directions. I use a GPS device that use glonass and American GPS signals and never got lost.


The GPS tells you where you are. The other half of navigation is, "right, so I'm here, where do I go next"; this is hard, in japan.

[the core of japan's road network was designed for foot traffic, because carts were uncommon under the bakufu. And because in meiji they built mostly railways, the road network wasn't significantly upgraded until after the war, and when it was they mostly built limited-access highways you can't cycle on. So you'd be cycling on road alignments that are, like, five or six hundred years old.]

GPS is suppose to do both tell you were you are and tell you were to go.
A previous poster explained the road situation to me.
Most of japan's roads are built for the modern day including for cars and bicycles.The later being pretty common.
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