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NEWS: Anime DVD/BD Market in Japan Shrank in 2022




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Lotus Viridis



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:18 pm Reply with quote
That's a huge decline. I feel like bd sales could do very well if they priced at a competitive range. I think there's definitely a type of customer who'd buy in if they didn't have to budget so much to decide on just one series. And I don't know how much bds cost to make but they could definitely be priced much lower than they are now and still turn a decent profit right?

Competing with streaming is hard, but as more streaming services start competing and making it hard to find series in one place, the more convenient a hard copy begins to sound.
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L'Imperatore



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:33 pm Reply with quote
Decline of movie BD/DVDs aside, perhaps more and more Japanese are thinking "Why should I buy those ridiculously expensive TV anime BDs?"
Sure, gimmicks, tickets, and gacha codes still appeal to the most hardcore ones, but to many, 2 or 3 episodes in each disc is just insane.
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BigOnAnime
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:33 pm Reply with quote
Lotus Viridis wrote:
That's a huge decline. I feel like bd sales could do very well if they priced at a competitive range. I think there's definitely a type of customer who'd buy in if they didn't have to budget so much to decide on just one series. And I don't know how much bds cost to make but they could definitely be priced much lower than they are now and still turn a decent profit right?

Competing with streaming is hard, but as more streaming services start competing and making it hard to find series in one place, the more convenient a hard copy begins to sound.
If they lowered the price, sales wouldn't increase that much. Cheaper re-releases tend to not do what you think they would. The reason they're priced so high is because in the past the home video publisher usually would be at the top or near the top of the production committee, so they invested the most money. The only people interested in buying in Japan are the collectors with an inelastic demand for their favorite anime, and it would take only a few thousand of them to recoup most of the costs. You have to keep in mind, Japanese homes are significantly smaller and most people there do not care about having large home video collections. Rental shops are still very much a thing there (helps when everything is close together) and there's also streaming. This results in having to sell fewer copies of something at a higher price in order to turn a good profit. Physical media in general is more expensive in Japan, not just anime Blu-rays.
animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-07

Inelastic demand has also extended here, though of course not to the same extent. Chad Kime confirmed that for Geneon during the anime DVD bubble era (print runs and sales were much higher back then), when they lowered the price, sales didn't increase very much. Basically everyone interested in buying a show was already doing so. Timestamps: 44:20, 66:00
animenewsnetwork.com/anncast/2009-12-03
animenewsnetwork.com/audiovideo/anncast/anncast017.mp3
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L'Imperatore



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:38 pm Reply with quote
BigOnAnime wrote:
The reason they're priced so high is because in the past the home video publisher usually would be at the top or near the top of the production committee, so they invested the most money.

Aren't they still even now?
You can still see the likes of Aniplex, Kadokawa, Warner Bros Japan, NBCUniversal Japan, Pony Canyon, etc. etc. on the top/near the top of the committee lists.
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tintor2



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:27 pm Reply with quote
I blame Toho for delaying jujutsu kaisen 0 Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:07 pm Reply with quote
BigOnAnime wrote:
Lotus Viridis wrote:
That's a huge decline. I feel like bd sales could do very well if they priced at a competitive range. I think there's definitely a type of customer who'd buy in if they didn't have to budget so much to decide on just one series. And I don't know how much bds cost to make but they could definitely be priced much lower than they are now and still turn a decent profit right?

Competing with streaming is hard, but as more streaming services start competing and making it hard to find series in one place, the more convenient a hard copy begins to sound.
If they lowered the price, sales wouldn't increase that much. Cheaper re-releases tend to not do what you think they would. The reason they're priced so high is because in the past the home video publisher usually would be at the top or near the top of the production committee, so they invested the most money. The only people interested in buying in Japan are the collectors with an inelastic demand for their favorite anime, and it would take only a few thousand of them to recoup most of the costs. You have to keep in mind, Japanese homes are significantly smaller and most people there do not care about having large home video collections. Rental shops are still very much a thing there (helps when everything is close together) and there's also streaming. This results in having to sell fewer copies of something at a higher price in order to turn a good profit. Physical media in general is more expensive in Japan, not just anime Blu-rays.
animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-07

Inelastic demand has also extended here, though of course not to the same extent. Chad Kime confirmed that for Geneon during the anime DVD bubble era (print runs and sales were much higher back then), when they lowered the price, sales didn't increase very much. Basically everyone interested in buying a show was already doing so. Timestamps: 44:20, 66:00
animenewsnetwork.com/anncast/2009-12-03
animenewsnetwork.com/audiovideo/anncast/anncast017.mp3
This should be used as proof that all those claims of sites losing money to piracy and suing people for that for ridiculous sums are total bs. Not saying piracy is right, but certainly slapping someone with a phony bill via suing em isn't right ether. Also not saying they can't sue, am just saying if they do they should use actual, realistic numbers is all am saying.
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Kenfra



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:52 pm Reply with quote
2021's numbers are due to demon Slayer.
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TiagoCosta



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:17 am Reply with quote
Well last year had Uma Musume s2 which was the best selling anime ever.
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Greed1914



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:56 am Reply with quote
I figured sales were in for a bad time when Demon Slayer wasn't propping it up.
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Blazi



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:04 pm Reply with quote
Not surprising with streaming services now a days, wonder if the importance of BD sales will also seize to exist in the near future.

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Penrhos



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:22 am Reply with quote
They're bound to bring out the old "Piracy" trump card for the drop in sales but it's not that simple - most piracy is done by people who wouldn't/couldn't buy it anyway so in reality they are not lost sales..

Last years good figures were probably more to do with Demon Slayer selling boxes of BD's & Merch etc......

In todays marketspace if you charge more for a BD with just 4 episodes on than you can buy a decent console/pc game for then if your target audience has limited funds/storage space - what are they going to choose.

Streaming services may not be ideal with censorship and poor subs/dubs and in the case of HIDIVE crap bitrates - but I've subscribed to music & anime streaming services for years. I think the last CD I bought was back in 2020 but prior to that I'd amassed over 1000 audio CD's so the shift in consumption methods is already proven.

In most cases the main push for Anime BD's is to get something that is either a limited edition or uncensored - The last Anime BD's I bought were Interspecies Reviewers and the 4k version of Weathering with you.

With what's going on (especially for us in Europe) and the cost of living squeeze I expect 2022/2023 to be pretty grim all round - maybe if they produced fewer good quality shows and less shovelware Isekai costs Vs returns might improve too.
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jdnation



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:08 pm Reply with quote
Could it not also be a natural result of population decline and fewer children?

Fewer youth would mean fewer young adults too at present, the kind that these would appeal to outside of the hardcore.

Sure streaming is a thing, but that would just be a contributor. As video game console sales are also declining, which is why Sony puts more emphasis on the worldwide market, and Nintendo is too, as as Square Enix, SEGA, etc. Looking to expand into PC ports and also adventures in publishing or purchasing Western Devs and chasing trends in Western titles such as open-worlds.
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luffypirate



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:18 am Reply with quote
hey sorry guys it’s my fault. didn’t buy much the past year Wink Laughing

being honest though i think a lot of this has to do with demon slayer sales.
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