Forum - View topicNEWS: 'Goodbye, Don Glees!' Anime Film Crosses $86,000 at U.S. Box Office
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Fenrin
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$86,000 across 400 theaters sounds rather low, right?
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GATSU
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It's for three days, not a week.
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This again..
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It's not good..
Still a bad three days.. |
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xTrailer45
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Horrible box office there you realize that most anime movies are niche.
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Fox King#943324
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It this flop?
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Fox King#943324
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Director should make no game no life S2
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Kadmos1
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That is horribly-low as it is $215 per theater. It should be at least $1 million across 400 theaters as that would be $2500/theater. |
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This again..
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What about this movie is niche.. The subject matter..? Three boys on an adventure.. The PG rating..? Making it accessible for most audiences.. Characters..? The choice to make them (superficially) white..
Yes, it's a box office FLOP..
The averages listed are $70 to $90 a theater a day.. If we take the average ticket price ($9+), each theater managed to sell about 8 to 10 tickets a day.. If we take the average number of seats per screen (150), each theater managed to fill up no more than 1/15th of their auditorium.. Of course this can vary from theater to theater, some managing more, some less.. |
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Zump
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I really wanted to see this, but it wasn't playing at any theaters near me. This also happened with Inu-Oh, which was my most anticipated anime film of the year. It's been getting harder and harder to see anime films that aren't based on franchises in theaters.
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MagicPolly
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Man that's super rough, I would have gone but I don't have any way to get to the movie theater alone and I didn't have any friends who wanted to see
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SHD
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Animation in general is niche unless it's a huge and well-known brand like Disney or Pixar (but even those have limited appeal). People don't go see Disney or Pixar animated films because they want to see something new and interesting, they want more of what they know will enjoy. As such, anime is already at a disadvantage because even the name "Ghibli" is nowhere near the brand recognition Disney and Pixar have - Miyazaki is, but he's not hugely active these days. For "Goodbye, Don Glees" it basically has nothing that would attract people who are not anime fans in the first place (hell, I imagine many anime fans would only go see it to support anime in their country/region, not because they're particularly interested). Add to this the terrible title: "Goodbye, Don Glees"? What? What does this say about the movie to someone not already familiar with the source material/aware and interested for any reason? Imagine you're say, a parent looking for something to watch with your kids. You see this title in your local movie theater's line-up - does it stand out to you in any way? Is it something that attracts your attention as a kid-friendly movie? Alternatively, imagine you're just a random person of any age, not familiar with anime at all, who is looking for something to watch on a lazy Saturday afternoon. You see "Goodbye, Don Glees" - does this make you feel the need to get off your butt and go to a theater? This is a standalone movie, not connected to any franchise that would give it a "built-in" audience. It's anime which is already a niche. It has a title and plot summary that do the exact opposite of generating interest (really, these films absolutely need a capable PR person to make them sound appealing to a general audience). It's no wonder it's flopping hard. |
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This again..
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I don't think that's true.. All the top-grossing movies are made up mostly of animation.. Animation isn't niche, the opposite actually.. It's what gets a movie to the top grossing of all time..
Top grossing statistics show it's not 'limited appeal'..
Could you expand on that.. Pixar, for example comes up with original works regularly.. A rat in 1960s Paris dreaming of becoming a chef, one year.. A rusted up trash robot in a post apocalyptic world, the next..
Is it, though..? Maybe Disney.. But Ghibli is not that far off from Pixar.. And if we look at Dreamworks or Universal Pictures.. Ghibli is the more popular brand if we take search interests as an indicator.. Also.. Miyazaki more popular among movie-going audiences than Disney..? Where are you getting this from..
Three boys going on a magical adventure of self-discovery doesn't 'attract people who are not anime fans'..? We've seen box office successes with less..
What does the title Ratatouille, WALL-E, Up, Inside Out, Shrek say about the movie.. Not much, but audiences still embraced them.. En masse..
I imagine I wouldn't feel a particular need to push my interests onto my kids.. I would let them decide.. Within appropriate limits of course.. I.e. as long as the movie rating is suitable for their age..
I'll assume you know that movie posters exist.. That they're a staple in practically every movie theater (inside, outside, online).. And leave it at that..
If I was an avid movie-goer with an appetite for animated works then why not..?
Many standalone animated movies have reached commercial success.. Again, see the top grossing list for examples..
Anime isn't niche.. The fact that I can just point to something as simple as Pokemon being the highest grossing media franchise of all time should prove that..
I'll pass on the armchair quarterbacking.. I don't know enough about the conditions surrounding this movie to make an accurate judgement.. Also, I'm not a marketing specialist.. |
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SHD
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....My friend, you look at that list and say, in all seriousness, that "animation is what gets a movie top grossing of all time" then I really don't know what to tell you.
If you pay attention, you'll realize that I didn't say they don't make original works. I said that people trust the brands to deliver something they will enjoy. They know what they can expect from a Disney or Pixar animation, and they usually get it. They have no idea what they can expect from some Japanese company they've never heard of.
I understand that you like to look at lists and stats, but Dreamworks Animation barely even exists anymore, and has been acquired by Universal in the first place. Soooo what's the point of bringing it up? And I trust you're aware that Universal Pictures does a lot more than just animation.... right?
Please point at where I said that Miyazaki is more popular than Disney. Please quote the exact line where I said or implied that.
Except 1. that's not what the official plot summary says, 2. those box office successes had a lot bigger brands and tons more advertising and screening time behind them. So.
They're short and to-the-point titles, easy to remember, easy to understand, attention-grabbing. Ratatouille - it's about a rat that likes to cook. Up - balloon adventure. Inside Out - about a person's inner life. WALL-E, Shrek - main characters of the movies. "Goodbye, Don Glees" - who's Don Glees? why Goodbye, is he going away? Why should I care?
I see empathizing with people who are not you is not necessarily your strong point?
Yes, this is a perfectly reasonable answer to a hypothetical question about a movie's title.
Yes, that's exactly what my hypothetical situation was, that is exactly why I said "not familiar with anime at all", to emphasize that I was talking about people specifically interested in animation.
Yes, because a gigantic media-mix franchise that is mostly driven by its game aspect is perfectly representative of anime as a medium... yup. |
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This again..
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In all seriousness yes.. You'll have a hard time getting to the top of that list without animation to entice audiences.. A big part of what makes those movies so successful is the animation.. It's where most of those movies production budgets generally go to.. For example. A large part of Avatar is animation.. To the point where critics were wondering why it wasn't nominated for best animated feature.. If you think the movie would be such a success without its animation, then I really don't know what to tell you.. As for animated feature films.. Incredibles 2 sits at 12, The Liong King at 13 and Beauty and the Beast at 17, so I wouldn't call that niche either.. If you look at the worldwide numbers, animated feature films sit even higher.. Also, don't forget.. You made the initial claim, the burden of proof is on you to prove that animation is niche, not on me to prove it's not..
I did.. You're leaving a part out.. Didn't you say this first..
Which I responded to by pointing out that Pixar for example does bring out something new and different all the time.. So, I would say, there's a discrepancy here.. Between your claims about the inner motivations of the audience and the reality of what Pixar actually brings to the audience.. Here's what the chief creative officer at Pixar says about how their movies are made.. 
As for your other point, I don't think that's particularly true.. As I pointed out before, it looks like Ghibli has more 'brand awareness' in the US than Dreamworks or Universal Pictures.. That is, if we take search interest as an indicator.. But their titles often gross much much higher than Ghibli movies.. If we look at animated works from studios like Dreamworks, Universal Pictures we can see that they reach commercial success all the time.. But do people (parents, kids) really 'trust' Dreamworks or Universal Pictures 'to deliver something they will enjoy'.. Do they really 'know what they can expect from a' Dreamworks or Universal Pictures animation.. Are they even aware of these animation 'brands'.. If you go around asking.. 'Yo kid, do you trust Dreamworks or Universal Pictures to deliver something you enjoy?' or 'Hey, do you know what you can expect from a Dreamworks or Universal Pictures animation?'.. Would they know..? Sounds more like marketing speak, rather than how people actually decide on a movie.. So, I don't particularly think all those movie-goers are brand devotees that consider little else.. Seems pretty reductive.. There's a whole slew of factors that go into a person's decision to watch a movie..
The search interests go back to 5 years.. Not that it matters.. Dreamworks existed during the time Ghibli made some of their biggest successes and Dreamworks exists today.. They just released a movie this year grossing almost a $100 million in the US alone.. I don't think that's 'barely existing'..
Because it's relevant to the discussion you started.. If you didn't want me to bring up Dreamworks, perhaps you shouldn't have brought up Ghibli or Pixar or- well, you get the gist..
Yes, and Disney too..
You quoted it, didn't you.. Perhaps you can read it back to yourself.. You wrote..
Directly followed by..
How else would I, or anyone else interpret that..
How is the word Ratatouille easy to remember.. When US audiences couldn't even pronounce it..
You're not getting all that from just the title..
You wouldn't necessarily make that leap from just that title.. And what if you have their names, how does that help with the answer you needed..
Did you watch the trailer..
You said imagine (myself) as a parent who wanted to watch something with their kids, which I did..
I think I've adequately explained why your hypothetical situation does not exist.. People are exposed to or look at more than just the movie title.. Didn't you..?
Not familiar with anime doesn't mean you've never watched other types of animation.. Besides, don't most people already know what anime is..
Yes, the anime series and movies are popular, they drive sales towards the games.. Yes, you could say it's representative of the medium.. There are several animes that follow this type of cross-media strategy.. You use the word media-mix, so i assume you know what the point of mixed-media franchises are.. But again, since you made the initial claim, you're the one who needs to back up your claim about anime being niche with proof.. |
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