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According to the rumors, the delay is due to Nintendo wanting to beef up their first party lineup for the new console, suggesting there was a game releasing in the early months of 2025, or maybe that got delayed out of late 2024, that they want to have at launch. There's also word that the planned March reveal has now been cancelled as a result of this internal delay, as the system was, as per prior rumors, slated to release in Fall/Holiday 2024 originally. If the shift is only a few months, the reveal might be in the summer now or they'll just redo what they did with the OG Switch. Reveal in October, Presentation in January, Launch in March.

I tend to be suspicious of all these rumors, ever since the Switch was released there were rumors about a Pro version being in development and the people who claimed to have heard about it later claimed Nintendo changed its plans and some even contradicted the rumors saying that there weren'r any plans for a Pro version
Still, I can see this one being at least partially true, the Switch has been in the market for 7 years now and I think that's about the right amount of time a console should be active. I mean, the Famicom was on the market for 7 years until the Super Famicom came out. There's some people who say, at least half jokingly, that Nintendo wants the Switch to surpass the PS2 all time sales, but that's just nonsense, don't think Nintendo cares about that.
I actually find it funny how people are overeacting to these rumors, the biggest concern about the supposed console is that it won't be powerful enough to compete with current consoles, but I've always heard that Nintendo operates in its own market, but seeing how the other console makers are having some sales and development problems, the way Nintendo operates seems more reasonable, especially seeing how AAA game development doesn't seem to be as sustainable and that some people feel that this generation hasn't shown as big a change as expected.
Nintendo will most likely want to make sure it has a good amount of first-party software for the launch of its new console, although I think the third-party software will have some surprises even if they turn out to be last generation ports

I'm looking forward to it when it eventually comes out!

Silver Kirin wrote:

I tend to be suspicious of all these rumors, ever since the Switch was released there were rumors about a Pro version being in development and the people who claimed to have heard about it later claimed Nintendo changed its plans and some even contradicted the rumors saying that there weren'r any plans for a Pro version
Still, I can see this one being at least partially true, the Switch has been in the market for 7 years now and I think that's about the right amount of time a console should be active. I mean, the Famicom was on the market for 7 years until the Super Famicom came out. There's some people who say, at least half jokingly, that Nintendo wants the Switch to surpass the PS2 all time sales, but that's just nonsense, don't think Nintendo cares about that.
I actually find it funny how people are overeacting to these rumors, the biggest concern about the supposed console is that it won't be powerful enough to compete with current consoles, but I've always heard that Nintendo operates in its own market, but seeing how the other console makers are having some sales and development problems, the way Nintendo operates seems more reasonable, especially seeing how AAA game development doesn't seem to be as sustainable and that some people feel that this generation hasn't shown as big a change as expected.
Nintendo will most likely want to make sure it has a good amount of first-party software for the launch of its new console, although I think the third-party software will have some surprises even if they turn out to be last generation ports

Yeah I recall all the pro rumors. Supposedly it did exist, and was close to launching, but then Nintendo changed its mind and decided it wanted to focus on the actual next-gen successor rather than a mid-gen refresh. It was supposed to have an OLED display, hence why we got the OLED Switch the same year the Pro was supposed to release. And this makes sense because there were conflicting rumors at the time that seemed confused about what Nintendo was doing because their plans were constantly shifting. Granted, we can't prove any of that, unlike this where the insiders are presenting a pretty unified front. And as the console draws closer to actually launching, and its getting into third party developers hands, stuff will leak more and Nintendo can only hold back the floodgates so much and for so long.

Assuming that it is releasing 1st cour, it will likely be announced later this year (probably fall, maybe summer at the earliest). January is probably too late to announce something for March. The Switch was announced the October before it was released March the year after, so that's as good of a guess as any. I don't think it'll release in January, right after the holiday season seems like an awkward time to release something major.

Silver Kirin wrote:

There's some people who say, at least half jokingly, that Nintendo wants the Switch to surpass the PS2 all time sales, but that's just nonsense, don't think Nintendo cares about that.

It needs to sell about 16 million more units to pull that off, and at its current pace it'll do that before the successor console comes out even if this report is accurate. Nintendo actually sold more Switches in 2023 than it did in 2022, and successful consoles often see a sales bump once their successor comes out because they get heavily discounted.

Nyren wrote:

And as the console draws closer to actually launching, and its getting into third party developers hands, stuff will leak more and Nintendo can only hold back the floodgates so much and for so long.

The thing about third-party developers is that I having some doubts about the extent of future third-party support for the Switch's successor, people have said that the Switch has the best third-party support of any Nintendo console since the Super NES, but most of the support comes from old ports, even on older consoles, especially in their portables ones, there more original titles developed for Nintendo hardware. There had been some unique third-party titles on the Switch like Shin Megami Tensei V, Octopath Traveller, Bayonetta 3, Momotaro Dentetsu and Monster Hunter: Rise, and the support from indie studios is huge, but I think many third-party studios weren't so sure about the Switch's future when it was announced. Perhaps when the successor will be announced we'll see some surprise port announcements, games like Elden Ring, Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts 3, Persona 3 Reload, all the Resident Evil post VII, etc., but I don't think a bunch of old gen ports will give the new console the best of first impressions. Though I have been told that there's plenty of people that would gladly double dip on some games just for the portability aspect and maybe there's even some Nintendo-only gamers that are just waint for those games to arrive on Nintendo's next console. However, there's people worryied that the new console will be quite outdated when it arrives, but that didn't stop the original Switch.

Silver Kirin wrote:

Nyren wrote:

And as the console draws closer to actually launching, and its getting into third party developers hands, stuff will leak more and Nintendo can only hold back the floodgates so much and for so long.

The thing about third-party developers is that I having some doubts about the extent of future third-party support for the Switch's successor, people have said that the Switch has the best third-party support of any Nintendo console since the Super NES, but most of the support comes from old ports, even on older consoles, especially in their portables ones, there more original titles developed for Nintendo hardware. There had been some unique third-party titles on the Switch like Shin Megami Tensei V, Octopath Traveller, Bayonetta 3, Momotaro Dentetsu and Monster Hunter: Rise, and the support from indie studios is huge, but I think many third-party studios weren't so sure about the Switch's future when it was announced. Perhaps when the successor will be announced we'll see some surprise port announcements, games like Elden Ring, Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts 3, Persona 3 Reload, all the Resident Evil post VII, etc., but I don't think a bunch of old gen ports will give the new console the best of first impressions. Though I have been told that there's plenty of people that would gladly double dip on some games just for the portability aspect and maybe there's even some Nintendo-only gamers that are just waint for those games to arrive on Nintendo's next console. However, there's people worryied that the new console will be quite outdated when it arrives, but that didn't stop the original Switch.

Well if the rumors are accurate, the base power of the Switch 2 is between PS4 and PS4 Pro, albeit with a far better CPU and more modern hardware/architecture in general. It also has DLSS 3.5(No Frame Gen) so that can get it to higher resolutions at less power/performance cost and ultimately push the hardware even further, closer to One X/Series S. Supposedly it has RT cores, but not many, so usage of RT on Switch 2 will be limited. But the cartridges use 3D NAND and fast storage plus, reportedly, 16GB of LPDDR5 RAM, all of which should allow it to run RTX I/O and do GPU decompression just like PS5 and Xbox Series, which Unreal Engine 5 requires for its Nanite functionality. It's a lower powered device that's punching above its weight thanks to smart tech. That should in theory help it last longer and make third party ports of current-gen, and presumably next-gen, games easier, as well as just making it also easier to run last gen games that it might not have yet. There have certainly been some miracle ports on the Switch. But lets be real, Nintendo platforms sell on the power of Nintendo's first party. Merging their handheld and home consoles divisions together and consolidating all their IP on one platform was the best move they could've made.

I’m running out of space in my house for these consoles. Sad

Nyren wrote:

But lets be real, Nintendo platforms sell on the power of Nintendo's first party. Merging their handheld and home consoles divisions together and consolidating all their IP on one platform was the best move they could've made.

I know Nintendo's consoles tend to sell on their own first-party software, but considering that the Switch has managed to sell over 140 million units worldwide and that it has become the best-selling system of all time in Japan with over 32 million units, I find it kind of worrying that some developers haven't tried to grow their audience on Nintendo consoles, and it's not like third-party games can't sell on the Switch, MH: Rise and Momotaro Dentetsu have sold millions on the platform. I know that part of the problem is due to the Switch's hardware limitations, but I remember how some developers claimed that some titles couldn't run on the console but after a year they managed to port it, like with Jump Force (not that the game runs well, but it didn't run well in general on other consoles), or how CyberConnect 2 took almost a year to port the Demon Slayer fighting game, despite the fact that the developers made a poll asking people where would want to play the game and the majority saying they wanted the game to be available day one on the Switch. One of CyberConnect 2's developers actually lamented the fact that it seemed that very few Japanese people were interested on the PS5 and instead played on the Switch and/or smartphones.
I'm actually kind of intrigued what will happen with Dragon Quest XII, Enix seems to want to expand its international appeal and people said it could be a PlayStation 5 exclusive, but the DQ series tends to relese on the most popular console in Japan, that's why DQIX was released on the DS or why there was a version of DQ XI on the 3DS. It wouldn't surprise me if DQ XII is made with the Switch 2 in mind or if there's a reformulated version in development for the regular Switch

From a technological stand point, this is horrible timing, I will see this being murdered by the next ps and Xbox because most likely this won't have any ai chip and by waiting the ps and xbox will have them.

Silver Kirin wrote:

I tend to be suspicious of all these rumors, ever since the Switch was released there were rumors about a Pro version being in development and the people who claimed to have heard about it later claimed Nintendo changed its plans and some even contradicted the rumors saying that there weren'r any plans for a Pro version
Still, I can see this one being at least partially true, the Switch has been in the market for 7 years now and I think that's about the right amount of time a console should be active. I mean, the Famicom was on the market for 7 years until the Super Famicom came out. There's some people who say, at least half jokingly, that Nintendo wants the Switch to surpass the PS2 all time sales, but that's just nonsense, don't think Nintendo cares about that.
I actually find it funny how people are overreacting to these rumors, the biggest concern about the supposed console is that it won't be powerful enough to compete with current consoles, but I've always heard that Nintendo operates in its own market, but seeing how the other console makers are having some sales and development problems, the way Nintendo operates seems more reasonable, especially seeing how AAA game development doesn't seem to be as sustainable and that some people feel that this generation hasn't shown as big a change as expected.
Nintendo will most likely want to make sure it has a good amount of first-party software for the launch of its new console, although I think the third-party software will have some surprises even if they turn out to be last generation ports

Nintendo has done upgrades to systems previously, like the DS > DSi, and it even had exclusive games that only worked on it. But DSi didn't really do much in the end. Even PS4 Pro as an experiment wasn't preferred compared to the regular PS4. And even the Xbox Series S sold better than the X. Given the option, people prefer the cheaper option, period.

Pro options seem to be a strategy to sell hardware to the hardcore who already own the original system, I doubt they are that enticing to people who've already made up their minds to go PC. At best, 4K Tv owners would prefer the option of beefier hardware. But the majority of people have 1080p TVs. If it is a bid to boost slugging sales, it is always short lived. The only thing that boosts sales is price-drops. Which all 3 console platforms are already reluctant to do.

Switch was already selling well. Any pro-model would feel like a waste of time and resources that could go into R&D-ing a proper successor. So once the sales start to dwindle, they can actually have a more attractive product that would be worth getting.

I imagine many Japanese 3rd parties are still going to cater to the PS4 base for a long time, and Switch 2 meeting that standard of hardware sounds strategic enough. Heck, there are rumors about Microsoft looking into handheld hardware and even Sony with a portable PS4, though likely both are completely digital. Everyone's looking to expand their markets, and Nintendo would have these as competitors. This will prolong cross-gen development.

Xbox Series sales are in the tank, which is why we've seen Microsoft begin pivoting to releasing their games on PlayStation. Even Sony, while seeing record sales of PS5 had to cut their forecasts in half, whilst stating that price-cuts are unlikely because they can't reduce manufacturing costs for themselves, much less give those savings to the consumer. Nintendo is likely running into similar cost problems and will want to keep the cost of their next-gen handheld low. A pro would be pointless, even if they R&D'd it internally which is what the insiders heard of. Supporting multiple skus with different specs would also be bothersome, as developers are complaining about Series S, which led to the Baldur's Gate Debacle. "Pro-systems" are a waste of time unless their only offering is a higher framerate for the minority of people who'd buy the system. Unlike PS or Xbox, the resolution on a fixed handheld screen doesn't matter. The portability is the prime experience of Switch users, compared to those who permanently dock it. So if 4K upscaling on a Switch isn't of any concern to most of the Switch audience, why bother with a pro? Only just for Zelda to have a higher framerate? Would 3rd parties bother, or would they complain?

The benefits would be minimal. Xbox probably wishes they could drop the S, and Sony would more likely sell any PS5 pro at a larger premium than anyone will expect with a small conservative manufacturing quantity that will be hard to find for those who want it.

Microsoft is already talking up the next generation, being eager to get out of this one. Whereas PS5 is comparably at the halfway point of its generation, and still PS5 gamers feel that this has been a poor generation of cross-gen and poor exclusive offerings with all the big good-looking hitters from Grand Theft Auto VI and Death Stranding 2 targeting 2025, and still no 1st party next-gen game in sight. Capcom and Square Enix have been doing most of the work.

Nintendo is wiser being conservative and not upsetting things too much. Keep supporting Switch, and gently wait things out for a next-gen Switch which with backwards compatibility will serve as the 'Pro' for those who want it early.

malvarez1 wrote:

I’m running out of space in my house for these consoles. Sad

If the rumors about backwards compatibility are true then hopefully you can just ditch your current switch and replace it with this new console.

(although who knows if it will have the same docking capabilities or support for all the joycon stuff)

Silver Kirin wrote:

I actually find it funny how people are overeacting to these rumors, the biggest concern about the supposed console is that it won't be powerful enough to compete with current consoles, but I've always heard that Nintendo operates in its own market, but seeing how the other console makers are having some sales and development problems,

The only one of the three having any sales problems is of course the Xbox which Microsoft nowadays doesn’t even bother reporting on the number of systems sold. Not helped by them admitting that the systems never being profitable on their own.

Silver Kirin wrote:

One of CyberConnect 2's developers actually lamented the fact that it seemed that very few Japanese people were interested on the PS5 and instead played on the Switch and/or smartphones.

This shouldn’t have been too surprising to this person since portable gaming has been something of a stalwart in Japan compared to other parts of the world.

[quote="Silver Kirin"]that's why DQIX was released on the DS or why there was a version of DQ XI on the 3DS.

To be fair the 3DS & PS4 version launched on the same day in Japan. And then of course it took the Switch two years to get it’s port,

This conversation also reminded me that the HD 2D remake of 3 still hasn’t been announced for a release date.

maximilianjenus wrote:

From a technological stand point, this is horrible timing, I will see this being murdered by the next ps and Xbox because most likely this won't have any ai chip and by waiting the ps and xbox will have them.

...The Switch is completely trouncing the competition in sales, both with consoles and games sold. Also, assuming there's even going to be another XBox is being very generous considering MS' current predicament.

As for the rumors, whatever, people have been screaming this so much it's basically "boy who cried wolf." Just wait until they announce the thing instead of getting worked up over nothing.

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