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Shenl742
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Funny since I actually just finished rereading the manga a few days ago. Really need to rewatch the anime now it's been a few years.
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Angel'sArcanum
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Saw the whole series in 2013 for the first time in its entirety after seeing bits over the years and I didn't really care much for it. The comedy episodes felt really stale, the Gung-Ho Gun episodes were mostly kind of flat too, but the last few episodes brought everything to a tight honing on the themes and was actually interesting, but ultimately couldn't keep everything afloat for me, although I love the soundtrack.
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here-and-faraway
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Interesting discussion. Thank you!
I agree that Trigun is far from perfect, but it still holds a certain charm for me. I've never read the manga, so it was fun listening to Hope compare and contrast the two. It's interesting how flawed shows can be the ones that worm their way into your heart. |
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EricJ2
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I remember back when you "had" to watch it because Pioneer was putting out the first DVD's, but it still felt like it'd schizophrenically gone off its own rails: It started out as such a nice simple idea of "Irresponsible Western Outlaw Tylor"--about the classic unkillable-bumbler who can't not become a legend by accident (Vash may be more responsible than Tylor, but he's just not badman material)--but then it starts falling too much in love with its own downbeat dystopic sci-fi setting, the humor disappears, and it looks like if Tylor had stumbled into a noir-heavy Cowboy Bebop episode. |
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JaggedAuthor
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My biggest gripe about Trigun was the noticeable drop in aesthetics and animation quality that occurred as the series progressed. I know it was a fairly low-budget late-night anime, but certain episodes were difficult to look at. However, this wasn't enough to stop teenage me from looking forward to each new volume with bated breath. There were some big problems with the story and overall series structure, but almost every episode left me eager to see what happened next. (If a next-episode preview revealed the presence of Legato or Knives, I was over the moon.) I re-watched it in 2008 and thought it held up relatively well. The initial problems I had with the series remained, but I was unable to find anything new to complain about.
With the manga concluded, I'd love to see Trigun get the Hunter x Hunter 2011 or Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood treatment. |
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Angel M Cazares
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Trigun is one of my most beloved anime shows. This podcast was very helpful in fleshing out the things (particularly the emotional aspects) I like the most. That being said, I agree that the story telling can be messy and that it looks ugly.
I have not watched Badlands Rumble, but I need to rectify that soon. |
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Thatguy3331
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While it's been a while since I've seen the show, I generally remember having a lot of fun with it. I don't go into fandumb arguments much but while I hear things about the tonal shift bothering people to me it never really bothered me and I always sort of like my stuff to have a bit or humor/lighthearted ness to it instead of full on DAAAAAAAAAAKness. I only recently saw the movie (and even then that was months ago) but I do sort of get where the backlash comes from in that aspect. Having never read the manga yet I don't think it's narrative interesting, thematically it kinda works and even then I know only so little about the usage of themeing in stories (until about a year ago I only saw that as "extra credit") but even with all that I did have fun with the movie because it was entertaining on a visual level and while the story was meh it's not the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. I don't harbor a whole lot of disdain for the one-off franchise movie type of thing (though I will say I hate calling them "shonen jump movie" simply because I hate referring to shonen as a genre and using "shonen jump" is even more annoy-*Off topic*) so I felt I got about what was to be expected. While I disagree with Zac it does at the very least contextualize where some detractors from the show may be coming from and so on that front I enjoyed listening to the podcast.
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Themaster20000
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I loved the show when I first saw it around 8 years ago. Even back then I was stunned by how badly animated it was. I wasn't taken off by it's tonally shift since it was hinted at a bit. I didn't care at all for the Gung-Ho Guns,which other than the great character designs,they all just came off as just disposable villains of the week with no character to speak of. As mentioned a lot of stuff is not explained at all which hurts a lot.
One thing I really loved was the final fight,which had a great build-up to it and such a well-executed fight scene between these two men with totally opposing ideals(it's also one of the moments of the series that is actually animated good!). Never bothered with since it came off as the usual extended episode of the show type film,which I don't really care for at all. |
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penguintruth
 Posts: 8461 Location: Penguinopolis |
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I'm a Trigun fan.
For one, it's one of my favorite manga. It has an interesting, unique (for manga) setting, a lot of colorful characters, and both drama and comedy. Not to mention, some solid action. Although in the manga, it can be difficult to follow the artwork during some of the action scenes the way Nightow draws it. But the manga makes up for it by really fleshing out the Gung Ho Guns, Vash and Knives' history, and even a bit more about Wolfwood, Millie, and Meryl. The only other issue I have with the manga is that the "final battle" is drawn out a bit too long. But of course, the anime is what I encountered first, mostly through Adult Swim. I actually own the final volume of the anime on DVD and ONLY the final volume, for whatever weird reason I had years ago. I still have to get a whole DVD set of the show. Kind of a strange hole in my collection, but I just haven't gotten around to it. It's not one of my absolute favorite anime, but I still enjoy it, for the most part. Obviously a lot of the visuals don't hold up, and honestly it's surprising they did as long as they did, because there is a truckload of bad animation, though there are spurts of good animation, depending on the episode. The colors look really washed out, too, but I guess on some levels it works, given the setting. As far as WACKY HIJINKS TRIGUN versus SERIOUS BUSINESS TRIGUN, the manga doesn't have all those really wacky adventures starting out. It has the "Hard Puncher" thing in the first couple of chapters, then moves into the sandsteamer bit, then basically goes right into the Gung Ho Guns. The TV series has four episodes before "Hard Puncher", before Vash even draws his gun for real, and the first Gung Ho Gun to menace Vash, Monev the Gale, doesn't do so until halfway through the series. In the manga, there are still some silly bits after Vash draws his gun for the first time, but most of the manga is the fight against the Gung Ho Guns and Knives, so there's not really this big shift in tone. What I really love about the animated version, aside from being able to follow the action scenes better, is that it does a better job forcing Vash to acknowledge his value system's downside, even though he still sticks to it the best he can in the end. Also, the music. That amazing guitar music, specifically. I wish the anime had fleshed out the setting just a bit more, maybe without even involving the Earth ships from the manga, but it was still compelling. Hey, it's Rurouni Kenshin with guns! |
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justsomeaccount
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What a lively podcast! In my case, I watched Trigun about a year ago and I wasn't a fan of the first third: Vash doesn't have very good interactions with Meryl and Milly (mostly Meryl's fault and her painfully obvious character arc) in the typical 90ths comedy stick, and some of the episodes felt very repetitive and weak, mainly for me the train episodes (also, the worst tonal whiplash are in this one). Then Wolfwood appears and I started digging it because he manages to interact with the other characters in much better and natural ways than your usual stick and they became much more fun to be, and with that openess I was kind of expecting the tonal switch in the second half, it didn't bother me that much except in a few scenes or episodes, so overall I liked it. The structure of the episodes were really messy and weird though, that's true.
I disagree with some of the views about Wolfwood not having enough screentime to feel other than a viewpoint, his first two episodes he wasn't really representing that much of a view in a blatant way, he was a character who obviously was going to play out more later but at the time he hanged around and interacted with them and his methods were just in the background as details, not being heavy about it (the third ep is totally obvious though, but he's not only that at all, I thought he had tons of personality). I also appreciate the minimalism in his story, maybe because I was really interested in him from the beggining, but I think it was pretty clear how he was and pretended, so when you see the quick flashback about his life is more confirming what you already suspected, and if he had a more traditional blatant "flashback" part some eps before it would have been narratively much more predictable, in-your face and uninteresting to me (although I agree it's probably structured that way because of messy plot, but in that case it worked for me), and I like most of his scenes have much more meat than many of Vash and the other girl's ones where many times is just repeating themselves too many times. I don't know, personally he was who made the show for me and also made me appreciate Vash's strengths as a character, mostly because when he interacts the rest of the character's dialogues are less based on sticks and more on natural writing, I wish Vash and Meryl/Milly's interactions were much more natural like those Wolfwood has with each of them. (also, love that the anime kind of pokes fun at the fact that "maybe as rivals they will have a destinated gun fight sometimes" but they actually really don't) |
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Jose Cruz
 Posts: 1775 Location: South America |
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I don't have a very refined eye for picking up flaws in a show (it is one of the reasons why I don't post reviews anymore in my reviews thread) but Trigun feels like a masterpiece to me. The main character is incredible, a man of such integrity, as Wolfwood and the development of these two characters through the series that made it something very special to me. As well as the very particular artstyle and sci-fi western theme. The low quality of the animation is essentially irrelevant in my appreciation for the series.
The movie is pretty bland and mediocre though. It is not a very good investment of time in my opinion. |
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Mohawk52
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It was quite obvious to me the they over ran the budget at the end and wrapped it up far too quickly.
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malvarez1
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I saw Trigun for the first time just last year, and I really enjoyed it. I didn't know so many people disliked the episodic first part; I thought it helped to world-build and give you more time to care about the characters before the plot started.
The film was...fun, but nothing special. Filler, basically. |
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Charred Knight
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Never knew about how the plan was for the Earth ships to show up in the anime before they changed it. It makes sense when you consider how they did everything else but left out the Earth Ships which makes up the climax of the story.
Great podcast especially when it got to the movie. |
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gedata
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Yeah that's a pretty big qualm I had with it as well, it wasn't made any better by spoiler[Knive's face-turn at the very end which isn't something I feel was earned, so I kind of prefer the anime's more ambiguous ending] |
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