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Ichihara considers fostering the talent of new manga artists the magazine's biggest priority. Weekly Shonen Sunday, as well as Shonen Sunday Super, will remove some of the currently-serialized manga to make way for a succession of new faces.

Can you even do something like that? Just randomly decide which manga is going to end? By what happened in Bakuman., doesn't the popularity (or lack of popularity) decide which manga continue to run and which ones get cancelled?

Aquamine-Amarine wrote:

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Ichihara considers fostering the talent of new manga artists the magazine's biggest priority. Weekly Shonen Sunday, as well as Shonen Sunday Super, will remove some of the currently-serialized manga to make way for a succession of new faces.

Can you even do something like that? Just randomly decide which manga is going to end? By what happened in Bakuman., doesn't the popularity (or lack of popularity) decide which manga continue to run and which ones get cancelled?

In the bigger picture, yes. But the editor in chief has that power if he needs to use it. He ultimately has the final say in things.

Aquamine-Amarine wrote:

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Ichihara considers fostering the talent of new manga artists the magazine's biggest priority. Weekly Shonen Sunday, as well as Shonen Sunday Super, will remove some of the currently-serialized manga to make way for a succession of new faces.

Can you even do something like that? Just randomly decide which manga is going to end? By what happened in Bakuman., doesn't the popularity (or lack of popularity) decide which manga continue to run and which ones get cancelled?

Considering the falling sales of shonen sunday it's easy to say that none of the current series are that popular.

Take Hayate the Combat Butler the last volume (45) sold 85,000 copies over 2 weeks before dropping off the charts.

For a series that's been running since 2004 those results are terrible.

Shonen Jump would have axed it years ago.

The same goes for Zettai Karen Children another long running series that no one buys.

Aquamine-Amarine wrote:

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Ichihara considers fostering the talent of new manga artists the magazine's biggest priority. Weekly Shonen Sunday, as well as Shonen Sunday Super, will remove some of the currently-serialized manga to make way for a succession of new faces.

Can you even do something like that? Just randomly decide which manga is going to end? By what happened in Bakuman., doesn't the popularity (or lack of popularity) decide which manga continue to run and which ones get cancelled?

First of all Bakuman is JUMP. JUMP is COMPLETELY different from what Shounen Sunday does.
It most likely means he's going to push the ending of serializations like Magi and Silver Spoon out sooner than expected. I really dont think he'd end CONAN or Magic Kaito or even FAIRY TAIL just like that, no way in hell. I am quite familiar with a lot of the shounen sunday titles so I can see anelog getting the boot and Imawa no Kuni no Alice is already ending so I just hope he doesnt end the more newer ones like Dagashi Kashi, i am especially fond of that one

Jajanken wrote:

Aquamine-Amarine wrote:

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Ichihara considers fostering the talent of new manga artists the magazine's biggest priority. Weekly Shonen Sunday, as well as Shonen Sunday Super, will remove some of the currently-serialized manga to make way for a succession of new faces.

Can you even do something like that? Just randomly decide which manga is going to end? By what happened in Bakuman., doesn't the popularity (or lack of popularity) decide which manga continue to run and which ones get cancelled?

First of all Bakuman is JUMP. JUMP is COMPLETELY different from what Shounen Sunday does.
It most likely means he's going to push the ending of serializations like Magi and Silver Spoon out sooner than expected. I really don't think he'd end CONAN or Magic Kaito or even FAIRY TAIL just like that, no way in hell. I am quite familiar with a lot of the shounen sunday titles so I can see anelog getting the boot and Imawa no Kuni no Alice is already ending so I just hope he doesnt end the more newer ones like Dagashi Kashi, i am especially fond of that one

Fairy Tail is Weekly Shonen Magazine, not Shonen Sunday

So basically Sunday will try to copy JUMP, historically JUMP had always been the place for no name rookies to make their debuts, and also had a very strict ranking system, which I know is present in all magazines, but Jump sure likes to axe series lol.

@Aquamine:
Yes and no, sure the guy could say ´I dont like Magi, let´s end it´ and that´s where he would be fired lol, because no way in hell Shogakukan would let him cancel that.
In a nutshell he (along with a team probably) will axe a number of manga that aren´t selling that well.

@Jajanken:
Fairy Tail isn´t Sunday..
And no way he would axe Magi or Silver Spoon, those are some of the few Sunday manga that are popular enough to sell more than the magazine itself

@Ushio:
I know almost nothing about Sunday's titles, but looking at Rinne´s numbers, it sold like 25,000 volumes in week1.. How much does Zettai sell?

But well, here´s my guess on what series stay and what goes, I don´t know much about Sunday, but even the ´popular´titles I have checked sell kinda lowish compared to other popular manga, for example Rinne´s 1st weak sold 25,000.. So my guess is long series that are selling like 50,000 or more week 1 will stay.. 50,000 week 1 seem like good numbers for Sunday.. I think?

Ushio wrote:

The same goes for Zettai Karen Children another long running series that no one buys.

(in Terminator voice) KILL OFF ZETTAI KAREN CHILDREN BEFORE IT ENDS ITS NATURAL RUN AND I KILL YOU.

(Please know I'm joking. ;P)

But srsly, Zettai Karen Children is a great series, and all I want is for it to end naturally. And that's def possible, since it's in its last "arc" (which can run for years, granted) right now. Having this new editor-in-chief kill it off prematurely is my greatest fear...

But kill of Magi and Conan and Hayate and Mushibugyo, and I have no problems. Sorry fans of those.

They're not going to kill off Conan. At this point it's bigger than the magazine it's published it.

Aquamine-Amarine wrote:

Fairy Tail is Weekly Shonen Magazine, not Shonen Sunday

Whoops my bad, I was thinking of the collaboration with weekly Shounen Mag and Shounen Sunday.

Kutsu wrote:

They're not going to kill off Conan. At this point it's bigger than the magazine it's published it.

Yup and same with Magi and most likely Rinne as well seeing the popularity boost it got from the anime.

Re: cancelling series.

Guys, the new EiC said some bold things. He didn't say insane things.

Magi, Silver Spoon and Conan getting axed would be insanity. The more popular series are safe from this culling, but the EiC is probably going to get rid of the least know/unpopular manga while keeping the few mainstays and trying to attract new talent. God knows Sunday needs a unified line up.

This new EiC at least has guts, I'll give him that. Let's see if he can turn around this trend for Sunday's decline. The news about the shift in structure is great to hear at least, hope that means better treatment towards the mangaka.

Aquamine-Amarine wrote:

By what happened in Bakuman., doesn't the popularity (or lack of popularity) decide which manga continue to run and which ones get cancelled?

The information that Bakuman provided only reflect the situation at the Weekly Shonen Jump editorial decision making. Things else where are different (even if popularity does play a factor, it's not quite as dog-eat-dog as it is in Jump).

Ushio wrote:

Considering the falling sales of shonen sunday it's easy to say that none of the current series are that popular.

Take Hayate the Combat Butler the last volume (45) sold 85,000 copies over 2 weeks before dropping off the charts.

For a series that's been running since 2004 those results are terrible.

Shonen Jump would have axed it years ago.

lol

Kochikami, Jaguar, Masion Du Penguin, Isobe Isobee and the assortment of gag/comedy series Shonen Jump didn't cancel all say hi.

These results (if they are true) are to be expected for a Sunday series, especially a comedy one. Though in Hayate's case it might be more to do with how the story having no where to but to end given how much it exhausted all of its plot points and it can't be more successful than it had been already (4-5 anime series, a movie and being a long running veteran series) so if it comes to an end, it will be because Hata wants to move on (and given his new series, I think that is likely).

The issue with Sunday is one of where the magazine is taking a nose dive in sales, but the actual titles in the anthology remain popular and successful. We will see if this new editor will be able to turn things around where the other before him failed.

Ushio wrote:

The same goes for Zettai Karen Children another long running series that no one buys.

They don't? Are you sure?

Anyway, from his comment about wanting the magazine being a mix of young artists and veterans (his extended interview mentions he wants to bring back long time veteran mangaka like Hiroyuki Nishimori, Kazuhiro Fujita and Koji Kumeta at the top) I don't think he'll go willy nilly about getting rid of the manga that had anime or are still with a following. At least not unless he reassures the vets that they will be given a chance back into the magazine again. But he did mention he will cater to his taste so who knows.

Jajanken wrote:

It most likely means he's going to push the ending of serializations like Magi and Silver Spoon out sooner than expected. I really don't think he'd end CONAN or Magic Kaito or even FAIRY TAIL just like that, no way in hell. I am quite familiar with a lot of the shounen sunday titles so I can see anelog getting the boot and Imawa no Kuni no Alice is already ending so I just hope he doesnt end the more newer ones like Dagashi Kashi, i am especially fond of that one

Oh a fellow Dagashi Akashi fan!

Yeah, Fairy Tail doesn't run in Sunday (it runs in Magazine) and I don't believe Magic Kaito is running either now in the line up. I doubt Magi will get axed when it's more of the well known and popular titles, and Silver Spoon first volume alone had sold nearly a million copies in its first month.

It's probably the more obscure stuff that's getting culled.

In the last few years they've lost a lot of their long-running hits, and the replacements haven't been that great. Kekkaishi, History's Greatest Disciple Kenichi, Golden Age, The World God Only Knows, Itsuwaribito - no replacements have appeared for any of those.

Meanwhile, most of the magazine is filled with 1-2 year old titles that haven't really taken off. They're even running sequals/remakes of Area D, Major and Nozomi to Kimio. Rin-ne is not Takahashi's best work, and the latest Adachi titles are, at best, examples of his easiest, safest material. Even the anime side is playing the nostalgia card with Ushio and Tora (which is excellent, but still based on a 25 year old manga).

I definitely understand the idea that ZKC, Hayate, Arata and Magi could all be encouraged towards an ending soon, and Detective Conan can't run forever (or can it?). However, I think the weakness of the current line-up is in the newer titles. Silver Spoon is almost over, and Denpa Kyoushi will drop in ratings again once the anime ends. They desperately need a new hit, or several, and I hope a good shake-up works out for them.

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Kutsu wrote:

They're not going to kill off Conan. At this point it's bigger than the magazine it's published it.

I know they're not. But I personally wouldn't have a problem with it if they did by some crazy chance.

Also, great solution! Make a sequel to Itsuwaribito! Or get Iinuma another manga in the main Sunday mag!

But will fostering new staff mean encouraging new ideas? Or simply exploiting new labour to churn out the same old shit?

perroloco wrote:

But well, here´s my guess on what series stay and what goes, I don´t know much about Sunday, but even the ´popular´titles I have checked sell kinda lowish compared to other popular manga, for example Rinne´s 1st weak sold 25,000.. So my guess is long series that are selling like 50,000 or more week 1 will stay.. 50,000 week 1 seem like good numbers for Sunday.. I think?

Considering the entire point is too get sales in the 200,000+ first week like they once use to I think anything with under 100,000 first week could be at risk.

^

I think the EiC is talking about getting the magazine itself back into higher circulation numbers like it competitors. Jump and Magazine have numbers in the millions, while Sunday had been dropping to 300,000. That's the problem here, not the tank sales (which differ from publication to publication).

hooliganj wrote:

I definitely understand the idea that ZKC, Hayate, Arata and Magi could all be encouraged towards an ending soon, and Detective Conan can't run forever (or can it?).

I think that if they could, they would never stop running Detective Conan, but Aoyama's health is becoming a concern from the looks of it.

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