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NEWS: Uncertain State of the Anime Industry Profiled

You fail to understand that many download only leechers are good for the industry because they provide more hype/excitement/noise about a title, but completely useless from an economics standpoint since the main reason they are into anime is because they can get it for free. It is very difficult to make profit out of this group, difficult but not impossible.

You fail to understand that many download only leechers are good for the industry because they provide more hype/excitement/noise about a title

This is very sad news to hear... I hope something will be solved in this state of mass downloading versus profits loss (and admitting that it is a cause). Because hey, those who aren't contributing to buying anything at ALL, sure aren't helping the problem.




To be honest, I kind of want to bring this up in MyAnimeList's forums where people like that FROWN upon seeing anime licensed... (This was after discovering how many of them thought fansubs were superior to anything licensed, thus have the attitude on refusing to buy ANYTHING >_>)

parker: OK, let me present to you a hypothetical situation. Anime X is fansubbed and gets about 500,000 downloads. Around 200,000 of the downloads are by those broke kids. Now, once the series is licensed for R1, I seriously doubt that 200,000 will actually buy it, and just to add to that, 50,000 of the remaining downloaders don't plan to buy the series for any number of excuses. Out of 500,000 potential sales, that's 2 and a half out of 5 (I suck at math, so sue me) lost sales. See what I mean?

Confused here, you trust reviews for older series but not for new ones? ... Even then my anime collection would not grow anywhere near as fast as it has, I had to have trust in someones opinion to answer the question "What's a good anime to watch/purchase?"

Also kinda going back to what I previously said, "How can a business sell you something if you have already fulfilled your need for it?" That's what fansubs do, they fulfill the same need that legitimate companies are also trying to fulfill with the same thing. So take any series you feel will never be released in the R1 market, ask yourself why they haven't yet? One of the reasons can be licensing issues, there is the demand to have everything the same, so music, voice acting, animation so on. Another is that the licensing company feels they can't make money off it anymore, simply because a free version of it exists and they feel that the market for it has "dried up" or has been fulfilled by fansubs.

Unit 03.5-ish wrote:

My, THANK YOU for saying you'll "consider" it. I was trying to say that even in Japan there's a basic fee to be paid to broadcasting companies. Whatever, though, I don't want to waste my energy arguing with someone who seems to have such a low opinion of me.

Don't feel so special. All of my posts are condescending regardless of who I am replying to. It's my shtick.

I think many of you are misinterpreting the article here, let alone forgetting other factors. Either that or I am greatly mistaken myself.

Everyone here seems to think that fansubbing and manga scanlations are the primary causes of this issue. Unfortunately, everyone is forgetting what state the world itself is in at the moment. The world is in a GLOBAL RECESSION and on the verge of a global depression.

Also for those of you blaming MAL, I do not see a reason either since that would also apply to AniDB and the rest. ANN isn't perfect you know and neither is any other anime site out there. Every site has a bias as well as other problems.

parker: OK, let me present to you a hypothetical situation. Anime X is fansubbed and gets about 500,000 downloads. Around 200,000 of the downloads are by those broke kids. Now, once the series is licensed for R1, I seriously doubt that 200,000 will actually buy it, and just to add to that, 50,000 of the remaining downloaders don't plan to buy the series for any number of excuses. Out of 500,000 potential sales, that's 2 and a half out of 5 (I suck at math, so sue me) lost sales. See what I mean?

samuelp, every post you've made about people who watch fansubs , had this one simple fact that you tend to ignored, and that is they are stealing intellectual properties owned by a dying industry that aren't free, but are paid to air only on Japanese TV networks with advertising revenues from Japanese companies. So unless you can come up with a good defense for that accusation, everything you've said are just whines and complains

BTW, since fansubbers make fansubs by fans for fans, we as anime fans should be supporting the anime industry, not stealing from them. That's not a bias opinion, that's sound reasoning.

samuelp wrote:

Unit 03.5-ish wrote: My, THANK YOU for saying you'll "consider" it. I was trying to say that even in Japan there's a basic fee to be paid to broadcasting companies. Whatever, though, I don't want to waste my energy arguing with someone who seems to have such a low opinion of me. Don't feel so special. All of my posts are condescending regardless of who I am replying to. It's my shtick.

Hey there, Unit 03.5-ish. I though you might use some help to breakthrough samuelp's delusional fantasy, so here I go.

samuelp, every postyou've made about people who watch fansubs , had this one simple fact that you tend to ignored, and that is they are stealing intellectual properties owned by a dying industry that aren't free, but are paid to air only on Japanese TV networks with advertising revenues from Japanese companies. So unless you can come up with a good defense for that accusation, everything you've said are just whines and complains with condescending undertones that's making you sound like an elitist. That's your shtick, as I would simply refer to them as you throwing temper tantrums.

Kit-Tsukasa wrote:

I think many of you are misinterpreting the article here, let alone forgetting other factors. Either that or I am greatly mistaken myself. Everyone here seems to think that fansubbing and manga scanlations are the primary causes of this issue. Unfortunately, everyone is forgetting what state the world itself is in at the moment. The world is in a GLOBAL RECESSION and on the verge of a global depression. Also for those of you blaming MAL, I do not see a reason either since that would also apply to AniDB and the rest. ANN isn't perfect you know and neither is any other anime site out there. Every site has a bias as well as other problems.

You are indeed greatly mistaken with you blatantly use of the word recession as some kind of excuse for fansubbers to steal intellectual properties.

BTW, since fansubbers make fansubs by fans for fans, we as anime fans should be supporting the anime industry, not stealing from them. That's not a bias opinion, that's sound reasoning.

Fact is, people who pirate, sub, and redistribute these shows are impacting the industry negatively.

You rely on those opinions. I do not. I said my "occasional" buying off reviews is an exception to my rule. Newer releases of R1 DVDs were available to me as fansubs, and now streams, before being licensed for DVD.

Yes, for those who never buy, or watch and decide it isn't worth owning, their "need" is fulfilled. Not true for those who watch and then buy to own, who would not have bought without viewing first. Again, just like American TV. The only thing missing in the business model of U.S. and other foreign markets is "free" broadcast of anime (i.e., included in already existing expenses). Add all anime series being broadcast locally via commercial TV, subtract fansubs, and you have the Japanese market.

I am a fansubber, I watch fansubs, I pay for maintaining an anime community and I support the industry (mainly the R1 industry, while I live in a region I cannot legally play their products). Why does one exclude the other?

Who cares. This is not the issue. Guilt or obligation will not force someone to pay for something he doesn't want to.

I am a fansubber, I watch fansubs, I pay for maintaining an anime community and I support the industry (mainly the R1 industry, while I live in a region I cannot legally play their products). Why does one exclude the other?

The irony is that samuelup didn't mention fansubs once in either of the links you posted. Rather than throw any kind of tantrum he corrected a common misunderstanding that all to often is used to defend the deficiencies of the r1 industry.

And as I said before, you'd have to be blind to not be able to see the difference between the effects that scanslation and fansubing have. Book stores allow people to read the manga and people overwhelmingly prefer it in print form over reading it on a computer screen.

The irony is that samuelup didn't mention fansubs once in either of the links you posted. Rather than throw any kind of tantrum he corrected a common misunderstanding that all to often is used to defend the deficiencies of the r1 industry.

And as I said before, you'd have to be blind to not be able to see the difference between the effects that scanslation and fansubing have. Book stores allow people to read the manga and people overwhelmingly prefer it in print form over reading it on a computer screen.