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.hacker
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I have a dumb question to ask, but according to:
animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-09-21/dentsu-adv-films-confirm-withdrawal-of-geneon-deal the article states at the end that "From October 1, 2007, Geneon USA will focus mainly on management of its works portfolio." What does that mean? Does it mean it will continue to work on its titles, or something else? |
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Dargonxtc
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It's basically saying that, for no other reason than to instil confidence that they are not shutting down or going away in the press release. But other than that it means absolutely nothing. So really it doesn't even really mean that. It's just an empty statement that could be, or could not be true. |
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luisedgarf
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Yeah, except that very few people want to buy a DVD that looks like a glorified VHS, if you know what I'm trying to say. |
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Mohawk52
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Mohawk52
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As for renters, one could logically assume that the "general public" could include fans as well that haven't already seen those titles via downloads. Like me. Logically I got the feeling I was the only one in the country by their response, and as for just one forum, well it's a small island with an even smaller fandom then. Please don't hold that against us. We have grown exponentially since those dark days. Last edited by Mohawk52 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:25 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Xanas
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Yes I understand this point, but the problem is if someone were trying to make the point that certain activies do/do not affect them it's really important to provide this information. If I am telling you that I need your money, I should be able to tell you why (why I'm in debt, what I did wrong and why I'm asking for you to help bail me out). In the defense of the companies I haven't seen a lot of claims made directly by them about this situation. In any case basically it's impossible to make an argument because the numbers aren't public. I guess we'll all have to stick to our anecdotes, mine of those who buy because of freely available sources, and others who claim that there are a majority of fansub downloaders who would otherwise be purchasing what they download. |
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Mohawk52
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Siegel Clyne
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Japanese fans can obtain sales rankings and scanned sales figures of DVDs from Oricon, Japan's counterpart of the US's Nielsen, through various channels, such as websites (e.g., ORICON STYLE, goo), ORICON STYLE magazine, maybe once in a while a magazine like Animedia ... and Japan's huge 2ch forums, probably the world's largest.
One or more reliable sources at 2ch regularly or semi-regularly post sales rankings and sales numbers of animation DVDs, Japanese and non-Japanese, based on data from Oricon. A reliable source who posts daily on animation DVD sales [in Japan] threads at 2ch, on more than one occasion, has described in detail how and where he (I am assuming that it is a he) obtains his facts and figures concerning scanned DVD sales from Oricon. Others are free to verify his usually very thorough information. He mentioned, among other things, subscribing to one or more services from Oricon. He is considered a "god" of animation DVD sales information by fellow 2ch posters, who ruthlessly root out fakes who post phony information, a common occurrence on 2ch's anonymous message boards. Big Japanese companies like NAMCO BANDAI Holdings Inc. and TOEI ANIMATION CO., LTD publish annual character sales figures and annual copyright income sales figures, respectively, on their official websites. I have posted links to, and scans of, Namco Bandai character sales figures and Toei Animation copyright income sales figures in numerous posts on other English language forums. Due to ANN policy, I cannot post links to many of these posts. But you can still search for them on Google, etc. ---------- Top 10 Animation (Anime) Series DVD Sales Figures Ranking in Japan For 2005 - Oricon Examination, Animedia Magazine, February 2006 01. Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED DESTINY (Mobile Suit Gundam SEED DESTINY) [Volumes 1-10] 645,512 Copies Sold [64,551 Copies Sold Per Volume] 02. AIR [Volumes 1-6 + SUMMER + MEMORIES] 174,299 Copies Sold [21,787 Copies Sold Per Volume] 03. Initial D Fourth Stage 146,024 Copies Sold 04. BLEACH [BLEACH Soul Society Shinigami Daikou-hen Volumes 1-5, BLEACH Soul Society Sennyuu-hen Volumes 1-5] 126,429 Copies Sold [12,643 Copies Sold Per Volume] 05. Mahou Sensei Negima! [Negima] [Volumes 1-6] 103,661 Copies Sold [17,277 Copies Sold Per Volume] 06. Dragon Ball Z [Volumes 1-6] 99,576 Copies Sold [16,596 Copies Sold Per Volume] 07. Mai-HiME (My-HiME) [Volumes 1-9] 98,025 Copies Sold [10,892 Copies Sold Per Volume] 08. Koukaku Kidoutai STAND ALONE COMPLEX (Ghost in the Shell S.A.C.) 88,865 Copies Sold 09. Keroro Gunsou (Sergeant Frog) 85,077 Copies Sold 10. Aa! Megamisama! (Ah! My Goddess) [Volumes 1-8] 78,681 Copies Sold [9,835 Copies Sold Per Volume] Studio Ghibli and Disney animation DVD sales are excluded. (American television animation series usually fail to sell on DVD in Japan.) ---------- Top 20 Television Animation (Anime) DVD Sales Figures Ranking in Japan for 2006 Television Animation DVD Sales Figures Ranking in 2006 (2006/01/02 - 2006/12/04 {January 2, 2006 - December 4, 2006}) 01. DRAGON BALL Z (Volumes 7-39) 568,216 Copies Sold [17,219 Copies Sold Per Volume] 02. Mobile Suit Gundam SEED DESTINY (Volumes 11-13, Special Edition Volumes 1-3) 339,610 Copies Sold [56,602 Copies Sold Per Volume] 03. Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) (Limited Edition Volumes 00-5, Regular Edition Volumes 2, 4) 225,293 Copies Sold [37,549 Copies Sold Per Volume] 04. Fate/stay night (Volumes 1-7 + Volume 8 Limited Edition) 194,973 Copies Sold [24,372 Copies Sold Per Volume] 05. BLEACH (BLEACH Soul Society Kyuushutsu-hen Volumes 1-5, BLEACH Baunt-hen {Bount-hen} Volumes 1-6) 108,181 Copies Sold [9,835 Copies Sold Per Volume] 06. ARIA (ARIA The ANIMATION Volumes 1-6, ARIA The NATURAL Volumes 1-5) 100,334 Copies Sold [9,121 Copies Sold Per Volume] 07. NANA (Volumes 1-5) 88,456 Copies Sold [17,691 Copies Sold Per Volume] Note: NANA Volume 1 sold around 60,000 copies; for nearly three months after its release in Japan, the retail price was only 707 yen (less than US$7), presumably after the number of the apartment the two Nana's co-rented, 707 (Nana-Zero-Nana in Japanese). 08. Shakugan no Shana (Volumes 1-8) 81,011 Copies Sold [10,126 Copies Sold Per Volume] 09. Mai-OtoHiME (Mai-Otome; My-Otome; Mai-ZHiME; My-ZHiME) (Volumes 1-9) 78,017 Copies Sold [8,669 Copies Sold Per Volume] 10. Gintama (Volumes 1-5) 76,528 Copies Sold [15,306 Copies Sold Per Volume] 11. BLOOD+ (Volumes 1-12) 72,221 Copies Sold 6,018 Copies Sold Per Volume 12. Initial D Fourth Stage (Volumes 10-12) 66,627 Copies Sold [22,209 Copies Sold Per Volume] 13. Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's (Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's) (Volumes 1-6) 64,903 Copies Sold [10,817 Copies Sold Per Volume] 14. Eureka 7 (Regular Edition Volumes 6-13, UMD Volumes 8-13) 60,631 Copies Sold [7,579 Copies Sold Per Volume] 15. Rozen Maiden Träumend (Volumes 1-6) 55,712 Copies Sold [9,285 Copies Sold Per Volume] 16. Keroro Gunsou (Sergeant Frog) (2nd Season Volumes 4-13, 3rd Season Volumes 1-2) 54,762 Copies Sold [4,564 Copies Sold Per Volume] 17. Hachimitsu to Clover (Honey and Clover) (Volumes 5-9, II Volumes 1-2) 54,116 Copies Sold [7,731 Copies Sold Per Volume] 18. SHUFFLE! (Volumes 3-12) 53,263 Copies Sold [5,326 Copies Sold Per Volume] 19. Pani Poni Dash! (Volumes 2-7) 48,038 Copies Sold [8,006 Copies Sold Per Volume] 20. Mushishi (Volumes 1-5) 46,830 Copies Sold [9,366 Copies Sold Per Volume] ---------- Animation Titles on the Top 100 DVD Bestsellers List in Japan During 2006 (Oricon) 2006 DVD TOP 100 (Aggregate Period: 2005/12/05 - 2006/12/18) Ranking | Estimated Cumulative Sales | Highest Ranking During Period | Title | Release Date **5 | 483,556 | *2 | Howl's Moving Castle | 2005/11/16 *13 | 283,424 | *1 | Cars | 2006/11/08 *26 | 155,179 | *3 | Chicken Little | 2006/04/28 *27 | 150,753 | *2 | Tim Burton's Corpse Bride | 2006/03/03 *29 | 145,595 | *1 | Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam II -Koibitotachi- | 2006/02/24 *31 | 139,873 | *1 | Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam III -Hoshi no Kodou wa Ai- | 2006/08/25 *35 | 130,709 | *4 | Madagascar Special Edition | 2005/12/02 *41 | 120,189 | 16 | My Neighbor Totoro | 2001/09/28 *51 | 105,067 | *3 | Madagascar Premium Edition with "Penguin Christmas Caper" Disc | 2005/12/02 *52 | 103,624 | *5 | Robots Special Edition | 2005/12/16 *60 | *95,544 | *2 | Mobile Suit Gundam SEED DESTINY Vol. 13 | 2006/02/24 *64 | *90,079 | *2 | Fullmetal Alchemist the Movie: Conqueror of Shamballa [Perfect Limited Edition] | 2006/01/25 *70 | *81,840 | *4 | Fullmetal Alchemist the Movie: Conqueror of Shamballa | 2006/01/25 *76 | *78,699 | *1 | The Little Mermaid Platinum Edition | 2006/10/04 *82 | *74,745 | *4 | Arashi no Yoru ni Standard Edition | 2006/06/23 *92 | *68,828 | *2 | Brave Story (1-Disc Set) | 2006/11/23 *95 | *67,052 | *4 | Mobile Suit Gundam SEED DESTINY Vol. 11 | 2005/12/23 *99 | *64,745 | *3 | Mobile Suit Gundam SEED DESTINY Vol. 12 | 2006/01/27 100 | *64,059 | *4 | The Little Mermaid | 2006/10/04 Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny was the only television animation series to have single DVDs crack the list of the top 100 bestselling DVDs in Japan during 2006. The regular edition of Howl's Moving Castle (Howl no Ugoku Shiro) sold something like nearly 800,000 copies during its first two weeks of release in Japan back during late 2005, which do not count in DVD sales figures in Japan during 2006. According to the ORICON STYLE website, the regular edition of Howl's Moving Castle sold 708,000 copies alone during its first week of release in Japan. ---------- Oricon DVD sales figures in Japan for the week of Monday, January 29, 2007 to Sunday, February 4, 2007 show that: 1) My Neighbor Totoro (Tonari no Totoro), from director Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli (September 28, 2001 release), sold 1,385 copies during the week - for a total of 703,816 copies sold. 2) Spirited Away (Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi), from director Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli (July 19, 2002 release), sold 1,272 copies during the week - for a total of 2,276,909 copies sold. Spirited Away is, by a substantial margin, the bestselling DVD in Japan ever. According to Video Research Ltd.'s Top 30 Most Watched Television Programs During 2003 in the Kantou Region of Japan (Tokyo, Yokohama, Kawasaki, Saitama, Chiba, etc.), the television broadcast debut of Spirited Away on NTV (Nippon Television Network), Friday, January 24, 2003, 20:30-23:09 (8:30pm-11:09pm), finished at No. 1, scoring an average television household audience rating of 46.9% - the highest recorded by any movie in history, and the highest recorded by any animation in history. Spirited Away is the highest grossing film of all time at the Japanese box office. Last edited by Siegel Clyne on Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:50 am; edited 11 times in total |
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ikillchicken
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Well, you really shouldn't put one specific persons name in your post if you're making a general statement about things alot of people are saying. Also, I wont argue that those titles are "bad" but I still think they have limited appeal. I mean, like you said, theyre aimed at girls. Not to discredit the size of the famale fanbase, but I think its pretty well accepted that the female fanbase tends to be more Manga focused and less Anime focused.
Its not that he wouldnt supply evidence, its that he had none. They know that their sales were poor. They have no proof that downloads are to blame. Infact, I find it awfully sour grapes of him considering he's basically saying: "Our stuff isnt selling well, so it must be because you jerks are all downloading it for free." Just as in this situation with Geneon, it could just as much be the fault of the company. |
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Mohawk52
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Zac
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Man, some of you people are just committed to making sure nobody thinks fansub downloads are hurting the industry. Let's have an imaginary conversation, shall we? Geneon Sales Rep: "Sir, the first volume of When They Cry sold 1500 copies in its first month." Geneon Sales Executive: "Huh well that seems really low." Geneon Sales Rep: "40,000 people downloaded the entire show for free 6 months before the DVD came out." Geneon Sales Executive: "Hm, well, that obviously has nothing to do with why our sales are so low." Come on, people. You want to be contrary and split hairs and dance around the extremely obvious and make all kinds of excuses, but none of it makes sense. No there really is no ABSOLUTE SOLID DATA evidence here but what you're doing is seeing smoke and INSISTING there is no fire. |
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starcade
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The fact that a lot of these people don't realize (and I think are just now doing, on both sides of the Pacific) is that the market that exists now (such that any market exists now) is piracy-driven. Fansubs get a lot of people into the market (they certainly get most of the people, be it at cons or in clubs, beyond the 4Kids crap...). (The person then quoted this from someone else:)
If they really did, there'd be nowhere near the number of releases there are now, since there's no real market for anime anymore -- at least no sales-based market. People are looking at 40K for AX and 22K for Otakon and 15K for AKon and they think people want to buy anime -- but the facts don't bear that out.
And this is what happens as a result. That's why I said in the other part of this thread: Eradicate fansubs, and you eradicate North American anime. That's the 600 pound gorilla in the room no one wants to admit. THERE'S NO SALES-DRIVEN MARKET FOR ANIME IN NORTH AMERICA. It's that damn simple -- and once people get that, something is going to have to be done.
Or like water out of a pool of piss. That's the problem. Take out fansubbing, and the fans, in waves (first the FU to the industry types, then the ones squeezed out when the prices HAVE TO go up, etc.), leave. |
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Zac
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Then otherwise companies like ADV and Funimation wouldn't be in business. Please PLEASE stop with this sky-is-falling doomsday crap. You're not an industry insider, you don't have any special information, you're in absolutely no position to be making these bold proclamations as though they're fact. Knock it off. Yeesh, I swear, anime fans do more armchair business analysis than any other group of people out there. |
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starcade
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No. Fansubs are the cause of there being a substantive anime fanbase in America. Until and if that can change, the companies are in trouble, because they are assuming people who are attending cons are buying the product, when the only product they MIGHT be buying is the subsidiary product (swag) and not the DVDs themselves. |
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Porcupine
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Also, people who aren't "in" the anime market don't go to anime cons. It's only the biggest of anime otaku who usually populate the cons. Casual enjoyers of anime who only buy a little AND only watch a little rarely go to cons. When you are completely unknowledgeable of anime it is gonna be primarily 4Kids cartoons and whatever else is showing for free on Cartoon Network that will get you interested first. Beyond that, a friend who buys a reasonable amount of anime DVDs might also get you interested and into the anime market. A friend who pirates all his anime and is a heavily fansub downloader who gets you into the market "his way" is probably gonna cause you to behave the same way. In which case you become an anime "fan" who is not actually in the anime market (since you watch fansubs too and don't buy anything yourself). I might agree that fansubs used to get people into anime at anime clubs back when there was hardly any anime on TV and back when fansubs were spread around on VHS tapes. But nowdays, this can't be farther from the truth. Anime downloads are so rampant these days that if you are introduced to anime via others who download, it's likely that you will be encouraged to do so as well. Last edited by Porcupine on Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:31 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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